Getting Real About Podcast Improvement: Audio, AI, and Authenticity

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Ask the podcast coach for December 27, 2025.

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Let's get ready to podcast.

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There it is. It's that music that means it's Saturday morning. It's time for

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Ask the Podcast Coach where you get your podcast questions answered

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live. I'm Dave Jackson from the

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schoolofpodcasting.com and joining me right over there is the

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one and only in his Kansas City Chiefs shirt, the one and only Jim

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Collison from the AverageGuy TV. Jim, how's it going,

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buddy?

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Greetings, Dave. Happy Saturday morning to you. Good to be back. Thanks for giving me

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a Christmas break. Big thanks to Rob Greenlee, who filled in for me while I

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was gone. He did a bang up job as he always does. I heard you

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guys talk about the future of podcasting. Or is it a podcast if it's on

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YouTube? Oh, not having that conversation today.

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I can give you insights into what I've done since then.

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We might talk about that a little later. I think I'm gonna put a thing,

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like, on my website that says, like, it's been X amount of

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days since Dave is freaked out about YouTube being a podcast, and

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then see if I can make it to double digits. That would be my.

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Let's not do it today. This is. This is YouTube

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safe.

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Yeah, I. It was funny. I did. I did another

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episode on the school of podcasting. I recorded it four times

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because I kept just, you know, it was one of those where it's like,

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you know, it's a power rant. Let's not do. Oh, is that. All right?

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Well, we're just gonna mute that. Well, we're not doing a power

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ran. But I did do. I did do something different where

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I instead made. Because I was like, I haven't done something weird

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in a while on that show. And I kind of like every. Every now and

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then, let's throw a curveball at the audience. And so I made a Christmas story

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about some woman trying to create the

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recreate the Vienna Boys Choir in her hometown of

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Cridlin. And yeah, I got a lot of. It was

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interesting. I was kind of like, is this gonna work? And I got a lot

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of people that said it was funny and entertaining. And so, you

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know, and there is one part of it that I kind of, as a

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musician, there were times when you would. You would record

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something and you'd make one little tiny mistake. And every time you heard

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that song, you're like, should have played the there or whatever it was. And for

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me, I was throwing Steve Goldstein under the bus and

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like, not kind of. I was just. Just right there under the bus. And

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I made fun of his audio quality. I was like, why are we listening to

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this guy? He sounds bad. And I kind of look back and go, that. That

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wasn't a nice thing to do. But you know what I really needed

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to really calm things down and, you know, get me going. That's

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right. A nice hot cup of steaming java.

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Big thanks to our good friend Dan Lefebvre over there. Based on Trustory. My mike

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is doing funny things this morning here. Did you hear it kind of cut in

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and out?

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It was weird. Yeah, yeah.

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Hold on, hold on. Let's see if that's any better.

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There we go.

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Good.

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Jeez, I'm the captain now. Yes, I remember

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Ask the podcastcoach.com? you got Dave, you got

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Jim, and of course, you now have the world's greatest chat

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room. That's right. The world's greatest chat room.

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We should play that every time we get a good, good question.

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That's right. Ralph liked the episode.

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Randy Black said, best opening to a school podcasting episode ever. Because what

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I was doing was this woman wanted a boys choir, but there were

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only, like, 27 boys. So she just kept changing the definition of what

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a boys choir was made up of. And in the end, when you change the

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definition and change it and change it again, you ruin what you're looking for.

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And then I was like, how does this tie into podcasting? Then John

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says, if it's true, is it mean? And I thought about that later.

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I was like, look, you could go, hey, why are we listening to Dave Jackson?

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He's 40 pounds overweight. And I'm like, yep, that's true. Does it hurt?

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Yeah. And I was like, is it true? Yep. And it's like. So I just.

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I kind of listened. Was like, that's one where, you know, the

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emotions were like, you know, And I was. I was kind of like, hey, you're

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all thinking it. And I'm pretty sure everybody was, but I'm like, yeah, you

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know, so that was kind of.

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There's a biblical principle to that. Like, all things are permissible, but not all

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things are profitable. And so, you know, you just. Cause you

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can. I think you need to.

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Right?

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It might be true, but does it need to be said? I don't know. I

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mean, every situation is different. I think there's. I

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think there's sometimes rising above and just

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saying. Just not saying it is better than saying

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it. Yeah, you be the judge. You.

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That's. That's the key. And like I said, when I listen to that, I'm going

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to. Probably could have cut that out,

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but I did see this question over in the old

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Reddit Room there and course, chat room. You

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know, if you have a

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question, you can throw it into the chat or go to ask the podcast

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coach.com? but somebody asked this. How do you

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decide what is actually worth improving first in your podcast? Because,

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you know, it's the 27th, we're kissing 2025 goodbye,

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and, you know, what am I going to do different in 2026? So this

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person said they've been thinking a lot about where podcasters should really focus

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their effort when trying to improve. There are so

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many areas to work on. Audio quality, guest quality, structure,

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promotion, consistency, that it can get overwhelming for those

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who have been doing. Oh, then it can be a little overwhelming for

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those who have been doing this for a while. What made the biggest difference early

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on? Was it improving production, refining the format, or something

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else entirely? I'm curious what actually moved the needle

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and so I can say audio

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quality. Everybody thinks it's audio quality. I don't think

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it's audio quality because it's not that hard

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to sound good. I have. Yeah, here. So here I'm talking into a $200

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microphone. Now I'm gonna unplug it and plug in a

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$80 microphone. Here we go.

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So here's $80, you know, versus 200. I mean, I got a bunch

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of these.

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It's peaking a little bit too.

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Is it peak? Well, we could easily fix that. Let's go to 300.

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It's Dave Changes. I thought it was gonna pop for sure, just to be real

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honest.

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This is my old RE320. A little more high end, a little

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more S's and T's. You can adjust all these in post, you know,

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so as we go back to the Rode podmic usb,

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maybe I would. Maybe he's really stuck in here.

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I would not ever recommend changing microphones mid

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podcast.

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But, you know, we're crazy. It's

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Crazy Dave. Come down to Crazy Dave's. He'll teach you how to podcast.

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So.

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So my point is, I don't think it's the audio quality we all

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think it is. Because you know why I. Well, again, I know why

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people really switch microphones. They don't like the sound of their voice. I

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think that's what it boils down to. I just know most people aren't going,

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you know, hey, Louie, you gotta hear this podcast. Why?

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It's like butter for your ears. It's like. No, it's the content,

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but guest quality is easy to fix. Um, that

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is something I did not do as well in 2025.

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Where I, I, I think if I was going to change something in 2026,

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I'm doing pre interviews because I met people

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months ago, they would then say, remember when you met me eight months ago?

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And I kind of did. And they're like, you said I should come on your

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show. And I'm like, yeah, I remember you. And not that they were bad,

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but it wasn't remarkable content. Right.

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Not bad is not what I'm shooting for. I'm shooting for remarkable content.

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So that was one structure for me. The big structure

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thing is I listened to a show. Why take that back? I listened to the

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first two minutes of a show that got mentioned in POD News, that it was

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really popular. And the first couple of minutes were literally just

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like Morning Zoo, laughing at nothing. Had no idea

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what they were talking about, no hook at all. That would be, I guess,

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structure. Promotion is always a tough one. And consistency.

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I just plan ahead. Jim, what say you anything

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you might do different in 2026?

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You know, before I say that, I know you rail a little bit against the

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Morning Zoo concept, the community driven. And

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I think there's actually a space for that. This is, you know, knowing your

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audience.

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Right, Right.

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I think if you have gathered a crew of listeners who

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are expecting that, they're expecting to get inside baseball,

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they're expecting to get the, the behind the scenes, they're

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expecting that humor. I think they really like it. And I think that's

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okay. If that's, if you've tuned your podcast to that kind of,

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to that kind of audience, just know those are the folks that

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are listening. Right. They're listening to the, the mumbo jumbo nonsense

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that you're not. That said, that's bad. Right. I think there's a space for that.

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I think there's a place for podcasts like that. But, you know,

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I think some folks are expecting, hey, get right to the point. And you're not

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going to gather folks who want you to get right to

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the point. Right. This is, I think one of the things I learned is I

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struggled. You know, I'm in the tech space and I'm not a very good

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reviewer. Like, I just don't review things well. That's just not,

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it's not what I'm good at. And so instead of trying to review

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them as I work with, you know, different products and stuff, I'm more

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of a, let's get it, let's get in there and

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get the product and let's talk about it over months. Right. Let's bring it up

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several Times, let's. How's it going? What's. How's this working?

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What's the value I'm finding in this? What did it do this week, as opposed

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to. Let me give you a polished review after. In

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reviewing this thing for four days, like, that's not my. That's not my gig.

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So I think, Dave, the point I'm trying to make here is I think

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knowing what you're best at, what you do, what your

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gift is, and then really focusing on that. If you

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want to do the Morning Zoo, do the Morning Zoo.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Because there are people that love that.

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Yeah. I think the advice I'd have is be consistent with it, though. Don't

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try to, you know, don't one week try to do it one way or. And

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then another week try to do it another. Because I think the audience is expecting

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kind of a consistent format. That's why they're coming to listen. This is.

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Listen. We have a very consistent format. We don't change things

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very often here at Ask Podcast Coach, at least in the way we do it.

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Now, the format, we talk about different things because industry changes,

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and so there's always something new to talk about. But, you know,

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bringing. All of a sudden, if we radically

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say, oh, David's 2026, you know, what we ought to do, we

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actually ought to come and, you know, have some things planned out, you know, the

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very beginning of the show, we're going to talk about this and talk about that

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and talk about this. We could do that. We don't.

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Right. And you guys still keep coming to listen because you. There's something about it

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that you like. So I think consistency, being true to who you are.

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Right. Playing to your strengths, being true to who you are, and then just

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being consistent with it. So often

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we're searching, by the way, the search process isn't bad

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unless you find. Until you find something and then stick to it. Right, right.

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Get in there. You know, I think sometimes we flail all

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over the place, right? And in that flailing, you know, what kind of. What

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listeners don't like is to be embarrassed. Like, no one wants to be embarrassed

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listening to you. And when you're flailing around, like,

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oh, I can't listen to this anymore. Yeah. You know, when you're struggling. Listen, when

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we struggle, you guys are like, oh, I know. I know what you're doing. Like,

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you're like, oh, I don't. I don't know. I can't listen to that. And that's

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the kind of thing that happens. So I think in 20, for me, personally, in

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2026, I just. I'm going to take my own advice and just continue

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to be, you know, home gadget geeks isn't going to change. It's going to continue

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to be. I almost stopped it, by the way. I told you I was going

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to. I'm going to bring it back in 2026. No difference,

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no change. Just more of me having fun podcasting.

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There you go.

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That's what. That's what got me.

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Well, that leads into Ralph's question here. Do you think the

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biggest issue is people first don't understand their why,

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so they have no idea where to start? I think that's part of it.

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Not knowing what happens is they haven't figured out their why. And then

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they're eight episodes in and they're not getting their why because they didn't figure

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out what it was. So they didn't shape the show to give them their why.

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And.

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And all of a sudden they're like, man, this is a lot of work, and

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I'm not getting anything out of it. And I'm like, oh, okay, well,

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let's find out what your why is. And when I say your why. I did

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an episode years ago called ask why until you

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cry. So, like, okay, why am I doing this? Well, I get to hang

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out with Jim Collison. I get to hang out with a live chat room. Oh,

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yeah. And I'm doing the Patreon thing. That's how I'm going to measure my success.

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And. Okay, well, why do you need money? Well, because I had a really bad

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divorce and I'm up to my neck in debt. Okay. So if I pay off

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my debt, you know, you just keep going, you know, well, why are you doing

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the why? Because of this. And then eventually it will come down to your parents,

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and you'll start blaming them for stuff. And then you're like, okay, now I really

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understand why I'm doing this. But that is

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something that you need to know, because if you don't get your why,

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you typically quit. I saw someone, and we

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might come back to this, but he had asked the question.

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And this, I think, also happens because somebody's like, you can make money from day

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one. And that is, when can you see a podcast

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begin to make some money? And what is a realistic goal? Say, in

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three months? And so when I go to that person, I go, usually it's around

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three years to make more than Mountain Dew money. And

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nobody likes that answer, because the guy that said if I gave him

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$77 a month for six months that he would, you know, get me

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thousands of money. Thousands of money. Yes. Here, have a

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money and have another one. But I think that's the. One of the

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biggest reasons is just

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misguided expectations

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because. And the reason for this is simple, and that

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is the people that are good at it make it look

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easy. Michael Jordan makes it look like, man, I'm just going to run

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and jump from the top of the free throw line and

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just dunk this basketball. And what's funny is, my brother has a

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basketball hoop in his driveway. And I remember when I could touch the rim, but

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I couldn't dunk a ball. I can barely touch the net. I was like, wow,

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things have changed. But they make it look easy. And so when you find out

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that it's not easy, you're like, yeah, okay,

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maybe we'll do this later. So,

Dave Jackson [00:17:27]:
you know, for me, format, sure. That's. That's not a

Dave Jackson [00:17:31]:
bad place to look at. Like, Jim made a great point.

Dave Jackson [00:17:35]:
I knew we were going to start off with, how should we improve our show

Dave Jackson [00:17:39]:
in 2026? I could have said that. I could have said, you know, this

Dave Jackson [00:17:43]:
is where you get your podcast questions answered live. Today we're going to be talking

Dave Jackson [00:17:46]:
about how to update your show in 2026,

Dave Jackson [00:17:50]:
and I'm going to be talking about that with my good friend Jim Collison, where

Dave Jackson [00:17:53]:
I could have done that, and maybe I'll do that in the future, because nine

Dave Jackson [00:17:57]:
times out of 10, I know where we're going to go unless somebody throws something

Dave Jackson [00:18:00]:
in the chat room and then just everything goes out the window. But, you know,

Dave Jackson [00:18:03]:
I love the world's greatest chat room. And so

Dave Jackson [00:18:07]:
when you guys send in questions, it's less work for me, really.

Dave Jackson [00:18:11]:
Bottom line.

Jim Collison [00:18:13]:
Well, it makes a more dynamic show. I mean, again,

Jim Collison [00:18:18]:
I don't want to say the element of surprise, but the. The.

Jim Collison [00:18:23]:
It's not really random. It's responding to the. It's a

Jim Collison [00:18:26]:
conversation, right? We're having a conversation. Listen, a podcast with,

Jim Collison [00:18:30]:
you know, what do we got, 25 folks out there right now,

Jim Collison [00:18:34]:
you, me, and 25 folks all talking together would be

Jim Collison [00:18:38]:
chaos. Like, it just wouldn't work, right. It would be awkward and

Jim Collison [00:18:42]:
weird. But to have you in the chat room filling in, where

Jim Collison [00:18:45]:
we can bring you in creates some control and some consistency.

Jim Collison [00:18:49]:
And so, you know, we see many of the same names every single week. And

Jim Collison [00:18:53]:
yes, you come for a reason. Like, you come. It's.

Jim Collison [00:18:57]:
It's fulfilling something for you in this. And if you're

Jim Collison [00:19:01]:
not to feel left out, but for those listening to the podcast after the fact

Jim Collison [00:19:05]:
you're listening for some reason that's scratching an itch. Maybe you can't make it on

Jim Collison [00:19:09]:
Saturday mornings to join us, so you come anyways. But you're,

Jim Collison [00:19:13]:
you're here. I mean, you're here for a reason. Dave, I wouldn't encourage you to

Jim Collison [00:19:17]:
do that. We've done for 10 years, we've done it this, this way and

Jim Collison [00:19:20]:
it's attracted a crowd. You know, I, I, I don't know if

Jim Collison [00:19:25]:
giving advanced warning, you know, all of a sudden you change format, people are like,

Jim Collison [00:19:28]:
whoa, what's going on here? Yeah, this isn't, you know. So I

Jim Collison [00:19:32]:
always hesitate when folks have something that is working now in the early

Jim Collison [00:19:36]:
days as you start your podcast and you've got the, the

Jim Collison [00:19:40]:
ability to, to try different stuff out, that's probably

Jim Collison [00:19:44]:
the best time to give it a try. But I would say do it till

Jim Collison [00:19:48]:
you like it and then you'll attract people who like what you like.

Dave Jackson [00:19:51]:
You like?

Jim Collison [00:19:52]:
Yes. What I would do. Right?

Dave Jackson [00:19:53]:
Yeah. So many people I see. Now

Dave Jackson [00:19:58]:
the big answer is go find somebody that does a show like

Dave Jackson [00:20:02]:
yours and this isn't a bad strategy, but go

Dave Jackson [00:20:05]:
to YouTube because I've told people to do this. Go to YouTube, find a show

Dave Jackson [00:20:09]:
like yours, and then go to their videos and

Dave Jackson [00:20:13]:
sort by the most popular and that will give you an idea of what

Dave Jackson [00:20:17]:
their audience likes. And so in paper,

Dave Jackson [00:20:21]:
like, oh, they do a show like mine, their audience is like mine.

Dave Jackson [00:20:25]:
So I'll do their best content with my spin and, you know, money will

Dave Jackson [00:20:29]:
fall from heaven, but their audience may not be like yours,

Dave Jackson [00:20:33]:
you know, and so eventually we all end up doing the same content. And I'm

Dave Jackson [00:20:36]:
like, I don't, I just don't. It looks good on paper. I'm not sure that's

Dave Jackson [00:20:40]:
going to work. Ralph says nobody wants to hear the truth. Most content

Dave Jackson [00:20:44]:
creators will make very little money with their content. This is

Dave Jackson [00:20:48]:
unfortunate. And this is the unfortunate truth and

Dave Jackson [00:20:52]:
why so many coaches are making money. Yeah,

Dave Jackson [00:20:56]:
the thing I see that everybody says, I'm going to start a podcast

Dave Jackson [00:20:59]:
and get ads. And I'm like, okay, you're going to

Dave Jackson [00:21:02]:
make.003 cents per download.

Dave Jackson [00:21:06]:
You know, okay, you've got how many downloads? A hundred. Okay, so you're gonna make

Dave Jackson [00:21:09]:
30 cents. Enjoy that. You know, in a month you'll be enough to buy

Dave Jackson [00:21:13]:
3/4 of a Mountain Dew, you know, so that's just

Dave Jackson [00:21:17]:
where, you know, it's, it's Craig from AI Goes

Dave Jackson [00:21:21]:
to College One of the things I think a lot of creators miss is that

Dave Jackson [00:21:24]:
there are costs to making money. The reporting effort often isn't

Dave Jackson [00:21:28]:
worth the tiny revenue. Yep, that's true.

Dave Jackson [00:21:31]:
Because, you know, now, and we're all trying to do it on the cheap.

Dave Jackson [00:21:35]:
I. One of the things I was looking at, I really

Dave Jackson [00:21:39]:
found this cool tool called Systeme I.O.

Dave Jackson [00:21:43]:
and it does everything. It's your email list. It's you can build

Dave Jackson [00:21:47]:
websites, you can build blogs, you can do e commerce. It's kind of

Dave Jackson [00:21:51]:
like, go high level, but at a much

Dave Jackson [00:21:55]:
cheaper price. And so I looked at it, watched some

Dave Jackson [00:21:59]:
YouTube videos, jumped in, bought a year's worth.

Dave Jackson [00:22:02]:
Now didn't buy a month. No, no, let's just go for the year. And

Dave Jackson [00:22:07]:
about three months in I went, yeah, this isn't gonna work.

Dave Jackson [00:22:11]:
It's the epitome of they try to do everything.

Dave Jackson [00:22:16]:
None of them are bad, but none like their email service.

Dave Jackson [00:22:20]:
Pretty cool. Close to Convertkit, but

Dave Jackson [00:22:24]:
not quite their website

Dave Jackson [00:22:28]:
feature. Pretty cool. But then I was like, how do I import an RSS

Dave Jackson [00:22:31]:
so I can just bring in my episodes? Oh, yeah, we don't do

Dave Jackson [00:22:35]:
that. Like, you don't do that. I'm like, oh,

Dave Jackson [00:22:39]:
okay, well, and then I'm going into stuff and it's

Dave Jackson [00:22:43]:
like, oh, we integrate with all the top platforms. And you're like, oh. And

Dave Jackson [00:22:47]:
then you look at it, oh, convertkit, Constant Contact,

Dave Jackson [00:22:50]:
Mailerlite. How about Systeme IO? And that's really

Dave Jackson [00:22:54]:
the one that I was like by the time, because, you know, oh, they work

Dave Jackson [00:22:58]:
with Zapier. So now something that would be as simple as just putting in

Dave Jackson [00:23:01]:
an API key. I now got to set up Zapier to send it to that

Dave Jackson [00:23:05]:
program so it can do that. And then you do the Hokey Pokey and you

Dave Jackson [00:23:08]:
turn yourself around. And I finally just dawned on me in the shower one day.

Dave Jackson [00:23:11]:
I'm like, I don't know. Yeah, I'm saving money, but in the

Dave Jackson [00:23:15]:
end, I'm spending more time. And I'm like, mm,

Dave Jackson [00:23:19]:
you know what? I think I'm gonna put out the money and save myself

Dave Jackson [00:23:23]:
the time and get a better product. That's like, right now, media

Dave Jackson [00:23:27]:
hosting is something that everybody's bolting on like a Frankenstein monster,

Dave Jackson [00:23:31]:
you know, And I hear people saying, well, where do I get that

Dave Jackson [00:23:35]:
information in Riverside? And nothing against Riverside, but

Dave Jackson [00:23:39]:
currently their podcast hosting is very minimal, viable

Dave Jackson [00:23:43]:
product. Like, they will show you how many downloads you have,

Dave Jackson [00:23:47]:
kind of, from what I hear, you know, And I'm like, you know, so

Dave Jackson [00:23:51]:
you got to be careful with that. But that's just something that. To

Dave Jackson [00:23:55]:
wrap up making things better. I'm going to end up. I think I have

Dave Jackson [00:23:59]:
till the end of the month. Well, that would be now to figure out

Dave Jackson [00:24:02]:
if I'm staying with ConvertKit or not. And I am. And I went into

Dave Jackson [00:24:06]:
System IO and said, yeah, let's set this up to not auto

Dave Jackson [00:24:10]:
renew, because I bought a year and in a year's time I'll be like, ah,

Dave Jackson [00:24:15]:
another 400 bucks. Where did this come. Oh, I forgot to cancel that. But I

Dave Jackson [00:24:18]:
just count that as I'm not a failure. I'm just like, oh,

Dave Jackson [00:24:22]:
I did my research. Could I have done more research? What I would do differently

Dave Jackson [00:24:26]:
there. I should have bought a month and played with it and then

Dave Jackson [00:24:30]:
bought a year. But I was like, no, this thing's great. It's awesome. It slices,

Dave Jackson [00:24:34]:
it dices, it even juliens. So there are some things you do that you go,

Dave Jackson [00:24:37]:
yeah, that didn't work the way I wanted it to.

Dave Jackson [00:24:41]:
We got. So those are all.

Jim Collison [00:24:43]:
Who is Julianne? I never. I never could.

Dave Jackson [00:24:45]:
I never got that. Yeah. But even Julianne's. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:24:52]:
And then. Jim, can you turn up? I'll turn up your volume here. People

Dave Jackson [00:24:55]:
are saying your volume is a tad low.

Jim Collison [00:24:57]:
Come down a little. Either you turn me up or you come down.

Dave Jackson [00:25:00]:
All right, I came down a little bit. Dan Lefebvre says,

Dave Jackson [00:25:05]:
often folks don't think of a podcast as they often wait.

Dave Jackson [00:25:08]:
Often folks don't think of a podcast as a hobby, so they expect to make

Dave Jackson [00:25:12]:
money instead of just enjoying the hobby that is. There's a

Dave Jackson [00:25:16]:
video on YouTube and I think it's called It's all about the

Dave Jackson [00:25:20]:
Song, or it starts with a song. It's also on Amazon prime.

Dave Jackson [00:25:24]:
And it's all. It's like major

Dave Jackson [00:25:27]:
songwriters in Nashville explaining how they write

Dave Jackson [00:25:31]:
songs. And there was so much of it as I watched, I was like, that's

Dave Jackson [00:25:34]:
podcasting. And they said, well, how do you get better at songwriting? They

Dave Jackson [00:25:38]:
said, well, everybody was thought, I just locked myself in a room

Dave Jackson [00:25:42]:
until about three in the morning, till I feel miserable. And then I can write

Dave Jackson [00:25:45]:
a miserable country song. And they're like. And then it dawned on them, just the

Dave Jackson [00:25:49]:
more I do it. And they said, they literally, like nine to five, we just

Dave Jackson [00:25:52]:
sit down. And the one guy felt so bad

Dave Jackson [00:25:56]:
because you know how I'm always talking about, write down your ideas. I use no

Dave Jackson [00:26:00]:
joy, but it doesn't matter what it is. Write it down, as long as it's

Dave Jackson [00:26:03]:
not a paper notebook. This guy had 17 years of

Dave Jackson [00:26:07]:
ideas in A paper notebook. And it was in his backpack. And his

Dave Jackson [00:26:11]:
backpack and his laptop got stolen out of his car.

Dave Jackson [00:26:14]:
And he goes, I can't get that back. And I was like, yeah, I get

Dave Jackson [00:26:18]:
that there's a relationship with writing on paper. And I'm like, yeah,

Dave Jackson [00:26:22]:
I would have put that in the cloud somehow. But it's a really good documentary

Dave Jackson [00:26:25]:
if you're at all interested in how music is made. But they

Dave Jackson [00:26:29]:
also had. Where they work with a partner, and they will

Dave Jackson [00:26:33]:
throw out ideas, and then eventually something will resonate with them both, and then they

Dave Jackson [00:26:37]:
start kind of getting their mojo working on that. So

Dave Jackson [00:26:41]:
if It's. It's on YouTube, like I said, and that

Dave Jackson [00:26:45]:
was one that. As I was listening to it, there are a lot of

Dave Jackson [00:26:48]:
podcasting things there. Let's

Dave Jackson [00:26:52]:
see. Ralph says, like Cliff Ravenscraft said on his show this week, you can't just

Dave Jackson [00:26:56]:
follow these seven steps and achieve success with your shows. But gurus are

Dave Jackson [00:27:00]:
selling that live for just $49, and that makes me

Dave Jackson [00:27:04]:
angry. Well, and some of them are Char. It's weird. When I first

Dave Jackson [00:27:08]:
started working at PodPage, I had to go find all the podcast gurus,

Dave Jackson [00:27:12]:
which was an interesting thing, as technically, they're my

Dave Jackson [00:27:16]:
competition. And there are people that will literally launch your show for

Dave Jackson [00:27:20]:
five bucks, and there are people that will charge you seven grand. And

Dave Jackson [00:27:24]:
so that's where it's just like, hey, yay, capitalism. The better the

Dave Jackson [00:27:27]:
salesman, I guess, the better the guru. Or at least maybe on. In

Dave Jackson [00:27:31]:
appearance, but in the.

Jim Collison [00:27:34]:
But I think sometimes it's. You

Jim Collison [00:27:38]:
know, when we think about working with people,

Jim Collison [00:27:42]:
I think we forget that it's not about what we. As

Jim Collison [00:27:46]:
coaches or as influencers. It's not about

Jim Collison [00:27:50]:
what we want. It's what our audience is looking for. And I think

Jim Collison [00:27:54]:
a lot of the time we approach this from a.

Jim Collison [00:27:58]:
You know, we're surprised when we don't grow an audience, but we totally

Jim Collison [00:28:02]:
neglect them, like, or we don't. You know, we don't

Jim Collison [00:28:06]:
answer. This is what. This was a lot. What a lot of YouTubers do really

Jim Collison [00:28:09]:
well is they spend a lot of time in the comments with

Jim Collison [00:28:13]:
their audience. And, yeah, you get a lot of junk in there.

Dave Jackson [00:28:16]:
Right, right.

Jim Collison [00:28:17]:
I hear all the YouTubers complain about, you know, the worst thing you can

Jim Collison [00:28:21]:
do on YouTube. You know, we always say the worst thing you can do on

Jim Collison [00:28:24]:
a podcast is apologize. You know, I'm going to take some time off here through

Jim Collison [00:28:27]:
the holidays, and when I come back in January, not say, oh, I'm so

Jim Collison [00:28:31]:
sorry.

Dave Jackson [00:28:31]:
Sorry.

Jim Collison [00:28:32]:
Just move on. You took a break youtubers, what they say is

Jim Collison [00:28:36]:
like, wow, that so and so in the comments said, right?

Jim Collison [00:28:40]:
Read this a thousand times in the comments that you guys want me to put,

Jim Collison [00:28:43]:
you know, safety gear on or whatever. But

Jim Collison [00:28:47]:
I think we forget, for those of you who

Jim Collison [00:28:51]:
want more listeners, I think we forget that it's about

Jim Collison [00:28:55]:
being kind to your listeners. And

Jim Collison [00:28:59]:
I think we missed that part. And I think we think we're doing it, like,

Jim Collison [00:29:02]:
oh, no, no, no. I don't think you. I don't think you really understand what

Jim Collison [00:29:05]:
that means when it comes to really listening, really embracing,

Jim Collison [00:29:09]:
really engaging with your audience. And I think most of us are

Jim Collison [00:29:13]:
not very good at it. And I think that's an area we

Jim Collison [00:29:17]:
can all. I think we could all do better in is like. And it's listen.

Jim Collison [00:29:21]:
It's not just responding back to an email or it's not just leaving

Jim Collison [00:29:24]:
a comment. It's like genuinely taking an interest in your audience,

Jim Collison [00:29:28]:
understanding who they are and what they're listening for. It's super hard.

Jim Collison [00:29:33]:
Like, I just can't. I just think most of us are not good at it.

Jim Collison [00:29:37]:
Well, ones who are do really, really well.

Dave Jackson [00:29:39]:
And I know Ralph said there aren't the seven steps. I think there are

Dave Jackson [00:29:43]:
best practices that you should at least look into. My

Dave Jackson [00:29:47]:
favorite is when I will point out, like, hey, you're doing

Dave Jackson [00:29:51]:
this. I have a coaching call this week, and

Dave Jackson [00:29:55]:
when I get to the end of the show, the person doesn't have a call

Dave Jackson [00:29:58]:
to action. Like, they spent 20 minutes making the guests sound great. The

Dave Jackson [00:30:01]:
last URL you hear is the guests. And I was like, yeah,

Dave Jackson [00:30:05]:
that's. You're missing. Your ending, needs a little tweaking. And so what

Dave Jackson [00:30:09]:
drives me bananas. But it's the hardest thing as

Dave Jackson [00:30:13]:
a coach to get used to is I can say, hey, you said you wanted

Dave Jackson [00:30:17]:
to sell this item and things like that. At the end of the show, you

Dave Jackson [00:30:20]:
don't even mention your website, let alone why they should go there and buy your

Dave Jackson [00:30:24]:
book. And they'll go like, oh, I didn't. And I'll play. And I'm like, see,

Dave Jackson [00:30:28]:
there's no call to action. And I hope this doesn't happen, but I love to

Dave Jackson [00:30:32]:
then go listen to the next episode that they've recorded post our

Dave Jackson [00:30:35]:
meeting. And they're doing the same thing that drives me

Dave Jackson [00:30:39]:
bananas. Not that I expect them to change 100% overnight, but I was like,

Dave Jackson [00:30:43]:
I expected maybe a bad call to action or. But just like,

Dave Jackson [00:30:47]:
you're doing the exact same thing that you

Dave Jackson [00:30:51]:
said isn't working, and you're expecting it to work.

Dave Jackson [00:30:55]:
So that's a tough thing to

Dave Jackson [00:30:59]:
get used to. But going back to this question quickly is,

Dave Jackson [00:31:04]:
for me, and this is sometimes I go, well, am I

Dave Jackson [00:31:08]:
wrong about this? But to me, it's anything to make

Dave Jackson [00:31:11]:
the content better, because in the end, that's what we do.

Dave Jackson [00:31:15]:
We provide content. And so, like Jim was talking, know your audience,

Dave Jackson [00:31:20]:
find out what they want, give it to them in a fun and entertaining way

Dave Jackson [00:31:23]:
or educational way, or whatever you're doing. I always say, if you can

Dave Jackson [00:31:27]:
do two or more, make them laugh, cry, think, groan, educate,

Dave Jackson [00:31:31]:
entertain, save them money or save them time. If you can do two or more

Dave Jackson [00:31:34]:
of those, you're headed in the right direction.

Dave Jackson [00:31:38]:
And then be patient, I guess, is the thing.

Dave Jackson [00:31:42]:
The thing that drives me nuts about all these AI episodes from

Dave Jackson [00:31:46]:
the one company that's doing, like, 3,000 episodes a week is.

Dave Jackson [00:31:51]:
And I also think this is why podcasters are so willing

Dave Jackson [00:31:55]:
to help other podcasters, because we want to help people

Dave Jackson [00:31:58]:
make good podcasts so that when somebody finds a

Dave Jackson [00:32:02]:
podcast, they don't go, my best friend said it best to me on the

Dave Jackson [00:32:06]:
phone. He goes, dude, I got into this one podcast, and you turned me

Dave Jackson [00:32:10]:
onto one. He goes, so I went looking for other ones. He goes, there are

Dave Jackson [00:32:13]:
so many, like, not just bad, but really bad

Dave Jackson [00:32:16]:
podcasts. And I was like, yep. So I'm trying to help

Dave Jackson [00:32:20]:
make shows that aren't really bad, basically. And

Dave Jackson [00:32:24]:
because it'll, you know, if they keep looking and the third one's really bad and

Dave Jackson [00:32:28]:
the fourth one's really bad, they're just going to come to the conclusion that, wow,

Dave Jackson [00:32:31]:
podcasts are really bad.

Jim Collison [00:32:32]:
There's.

Dave Jackson [00:32:32]:
There's a needle in the haystack. So it's. It's tricky.

Dave Jackson [00:32:36]:
Ralph says one of the biggest issues I've seen is that people want to grow

Dave Jackson [00:32:39]:
their audience, so they hire someone and they just ignore everything

Dave Jackson [00:32:43]:
they're told and wonder why nothing is improving. Yep, exactly. Yeah, I

Dave Jackson [00:32:47]:
don't. The thing you got to be careful with

Dave Jackson [00:32:51]:
is I ran into a situation where,

Dave Jackson [00:32:56]:
like, look, don't ask me about JavaScript. I can build

Dave Jackson [00:33:00]:
a website. I can use WordPress. I can use PodPage. I can build a website.

Dave Jackson [00:33:04]:
But don't ask me about JavaScript. That's your. Now you're over my head.

Dave Jackson [00:33:08]:
And so many times because, well, it's the Internet. People will

Dave Jackson [00:33:12]:
ask their web guy about podcasts. Now,

Dave Jackson [00:33:16]:
occasionally, there's a diamond in the rough, right? You got Mark, who's a

Dave Jackson [00:33:19]:
podcaster and a web designer, but most of the time, the web designer

Dave Jackson [00:33:24]:
knows RSS feeds from the blog post that they have on

Dave Jackson [00:33:28]:
their website, but they don't really understand podcasting. And I've seen some podcasts

Dave Jackson [00:33:32]:
get seriously jacked up. I'm up to my neck in one now that I'm just

Dave Jackson [00:33:35]:
like. And I said, yeah, you gotta quit listening. I said, ask that

Dave Jackson [00:33:39]:
guy, or girl, whoever it is. I go, ask them website questions. I go,

Dave Jackson [00:33:43]:
But I'm like, I'm sure they're a fine person and they love their children.

Dave Jackson [00:33:47]:
I go, but they're really jacking up your podcast right now. There's, like, multiple

Dave Jackson [00:33:51]:
listings of their show in Apple, and nobody can really

Dave Jackson [00:33:55]:
find out where the RSS feed is, so be careful with

Dave Jackson [00:33:58]:
that. Find a coach that you know and trust.

Dave Jackson [00:34:02]:
And here's a novel idea.

Jim Collison [00:34:03]:
Do.

Dave Jackson [00:34:04]:
Do what they say. If it fits your show right, if they're trying to turn

Dave Jackson [00:34:07]:
your show, listen.

Jim Collison [00:34:08]:
That'S hard for all of us. Like, you know, there's times

Jim Collison [00:34:12]:
I want to pretend like, you know, you get these emails all the time from

Jim Collison [00:34:16]:
folks like, hey, and they show you your YouTube channel, and they're like,

Jim Collison [00:34:20]:
nobody knows you're even on YouTube if you just do these seven things

Jim Collison [00:34:24]:
and give me 100 bucks or whatever it is.

Dave Jackson [00:34:26]:
Right, right.

Jim Collison [00:34:27]:
And, you know, even with. Listen. Even with

Jim Collison [00:34:31]:
advice that I've gotten from podcasters that I trust in the

Jim Collison [00:34:34]:
podcast circles that we. That we're in, and I'm like,

Jim Collison [00:34:38]:
I don't want to do that, though. Like, you know, I.

Dave Jackson [00:34:41]:
It.

Jim Collison [00:34:41]:
It's. We all struggle, I think, at times with the. The

Jim Collison [00:34:45]:
ability to trust the. The advice that we're getting

Jim Collison [00:34:49]:
and will this really. And do I. What if I do? And then we try

Jim Collison [00:34:53]:
it and it doesn't work? Ah, see, I should have listened to

Jim Collison [00:34:56]:
myself more, you know, kind of thing. It's. It's a lot harder

Jim Collison [00:35:00]:
than we say that. Like, yeah, you know, just. Just do. Just do. Well,

Jim Collison [00:35:04]:
it's harder than that. And just because you do the seven

Jim Collison [00:35:08]:
steps, by the way, I'm a big fan of steps. I like. I. I like

Jim Collison [00:35:12]:
those kinds of things because there are some best practices, as you said.

Jim Collison [00:35:16]:
But just because we do the seven steps doesn't mean we may, you know,

Jim Collison [00:35:20]:
because it's more than just work. It's a little bit of luck.

Jim Collison [00:35:24]:
Like, this is the hard part. Like, you've gotta, you know, or,

Jim Collison [00:35:28]:
you know, if I wanted to start a small business and I said, I'm gonna

Jim Collison [00:35:31]:
fix cars, and I started doing it out of my garage.

Jim Collison [00:35:35]:
It takes a little bit more than just great customer service. You may get

Jim Collison [00:35:39]:
that, but you may need some luck to get, to get found,

Jim Collison [00:35:43]:
for people to come and do, you know, to find you. So

Jim Collison [00:35:47]:
it's, it's more than just hard work. It's more than just listening

Jim Collison [00:35:51]:
to everybody's advice. All those things are great things to do. Right. It's more than

Jim Collison [00:35:55]:
host provider. It's more than all the, all the, you

Jim Collison [00:35:59]:
know, all the commercial or non commercial advice that you get.

Jim Collison [00:36:03]:
It's being there. Listen, none of it will happen if you don't do it.

Jim Collison [00:36:07]:
Like, that's that I can guarantee you don't do it. Nothing will happen.

Jim Collison [00:36:11]:
The rest of it.

Jim Collison [00:36:15]:
Why did John Lee Dumas blow up? Nobody knows. He worked really hard. He

Jim Collison [00:36:19]:
got really lucky. You know, he was doing something at the right

Jim Collison [00:36:23]:
time, at the right time and place.

Dave Jackson [00:36:25]:
And at the time it was somewhat new. Like he was the

Dave Jackson [00:36:29]:
first.

Jim Collison [00:36:29]:
Sure.

Dave Jackson [00:36:30]:
For sure daily show for entrepreneurs. And then he did the same

Dave Jackson [00:36:34]:
show every week. And you're like, wait, what? You know. So here's

Dave Jackson [00:36:37]:
another great comment from

Dave Jackson [00:36:42]:
the one only I know the

Dave Jackson [00:36:46]:
one and only Dan from Based on a True Story podcast. Podcasting is

Dave Jackson [00:36:50]:
a lot of work by itself and a lot of coaches just pile on more

Dave Jackson [00:36:54]:
work without offering a realistic way to achieve it. That's

Dave Jackson [00:36:58]:
a really good point. See that Dan Lefebvre, that guy's a. He's a

Dave Jackson [00:37:01]:
smarty. Yeah. See, he knows what he's talking about.

Jim Collison [00:37:05]:
Or the desire or the talent to achieve it. Like, I think

Jim Collison [00:37:09]:
sometimes, you know, like, yes, you can do the steps, but

Jim Collison [00:37:12]:
do you have the talent to do the steps? And is your

Jim Collison [00:37:16]:
style of talent what people are looking for right

Jim Collison [00:37:20]:
now?

Dave Jackson [00:37:21]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:37:22]:
You and I grew up in the era when, when rap was

Jim Collison [00:37:26]:
invented. Right. And, you know, late 70s, early

Jim Collison [00:37:30]:
80s, it really breaks out in the 80s. Rap would not

Jim Collison [00:37:34]:
have made it in the 50s like it?

Dave Jackson [00:37:36]:
No. Could you imagine that? We're gonna

Dave Jackson [00:37:40]:
rock rock around the clock. All right, here's the next one.

Dave Jackson [00:37:44]:
Yeah. Hell yeah.

Jim Collison [00:37:47]:
Yeah. No, not of work. It wasn't ready.

Dave Jackson [00:37:49]:
Right.

Jim Collison [00:37:49]:
And what made the 80s ready for it? I don't know, but it was.

Jim Collison [00:37:53]:
And. And so, you know, that that kind of broke out. And

Jim Collison [00:37:57]:
I think sometimes your style, maybe it's just

Jim Collison [00:38:01]:
not ready. Maybe the culture's not ready for your style or ready for what you're

Jim Collison [00:38:05]:
bringing or some of those kinds of things.

Dave Jackson [00:38:08]:
No one.

Jim Collison [00:38:09]:
The trick is not to get angry and get mad at the culture or to

Jim Collison [00:38:12]:
get mad at the listeners. Like, you know, I think sometimes we're like, oh,

Jim Collison [00:38:16]:
shaking our fist at the listeners if they would Just listen to me. They would

Jim Collison [00:38:19]:
know. Well, that's. That's not going to do anything. Shouting into the universe is not

Jim Collison [00:38:23]:
going to do anything.

Dave Jackson [00:38:24]:
For your podcast might let your blood pressure come down a little bit, but your

Dave Jackson [00:38:28]:
podcast, not so much. Ray from around the layout,

Dave Jackson [00:38:31]:
who will be in the next school of podcasting, has a really cool. Because of

Dave Jackson [00:38:35]:
my podcast story says, apparently the next piece of gear I need for editing

Dave Jackson [00:38:39]:
is a seat belt to strap me into this chair to keep the ADHD from

Dave Jackson [00:38:43]:
walking me down the hallway for no apparent reason. I got to

Dave Jackson [00:38:47]:
tell you, I have a jar of peanuts in the kitchen. And when

Dave Jackson [00:38:50]:
I was doing that episode and I kept rerecording it, I'd be like, all right.

Dave Jackson [00:38:54]:
I'd be editing. And out of nowhere, I would just get up and get peanuts.

Dave Jackson [00:38:57]:
And I was like, oh, you're uncomfortable with your content right now, because if you

Dave Jackson [00:39:01]:
were confident in it, you'd be there editing. And I just kept walking away from

Dave Jackson [00:39:04]:
it. And I was like, yeah, this is. Something different's going on here.

Dave Jackson [00:39:08]:
So, yeah, there you go. Randy

Dave Jackson [00:39:12]:
says talent is my constraint.

Jim Collison [00:39:14]:
It's all our constraints.

Dave Jackson [00:39:16]:
Yeah, right.

Jim Collison [00:39:16]:
We all. We all are limited in stuff. That doesn't mean, you know, listen. It

Jim Collison [00:39:20]:
doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Right. Just understanding it,

Jim Collison [00:39:24]:
though. And then I think the key is how do I overcome my lack

Jim Collison [00:39:28]:
of talent?

Dave Jackson [00:39:29]:
That's what he's saying. He's like, lack of.

Jim Collison [00:39:31]:
How do I over. So how do I overcome that? Or how do I use

Jim Collison [00:39:34]:
that to my favorite. Like, this is. I think the question a lot of people

Jim Collison [00:39:38]:
don't ask when they get to that talent question of like, well, maybe just like,

Jim Collison [00:39:42]:
I don't have the, you know, I don't have the music skills to play guitar

Jim Collison [00:39:45]:
like you do. I don't. I wanted to. I played the bass,

Jim Collison [00:39:49]:
couldn't play it. I bought a banjo one time trying. Which is even

Jim Collison [00:39:52]:
harder. Tried learning the guitar. The talent friends is just

Jim Collison [00:39:56]:
not there. So how did I overcome that? I found

Jim Collison [00:40:00]:
friends who played the guitar.

Dave Jackson [00:40:02]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:40:02]:
And I made friends with guitar players and realized. And then

Jim Collison [00:40:06]:
I built into them. Like, I encouraged them. I

Jim Collison [00:40:10]:
made a. Made friends with them so they could like, hey, if we're going to

Jim Collison [00:40:14]:
do things because I wanted to do musical stuff, I needed to

Jim Collison [00:40:18]:
be really nice to guitar players

Jim Collison [00:40:22]:
because I didn't have any of that talent. And so you, you. You

Jim Collison [00:40:26]:
too might be in a spot where you just lack the talent for what you

Jim Collison [00:40:29]:
need to. What you're. For where you're going. Well,

Jim Collison [00:40:33]:
there's people who do have it partner with them. That might be an option for

Jim Collison [00:40:37]:
you. At Gallup, we call that, you know, powerful partnerships or the power of two.

Jim Collison [00:40:41]:
And so it's it that's maybe like you and I

Jim Collison [00:40:45]:
like there's things, the fact that, listen this podcast, if this up to

Jim Collison [00:40:49]:
me, this podcast would never get out. I would never like, we would

Jim Collison [00:40:53]:
get done on Saturdays. And the last thing I want to do is edit another

Jim Collison [00:40:57]:
podcast on Saturdays. You do that, you,

Jim Collison [00:41:00]:
you're talented in a way. You get it done, you get it in, you get

Jim Collison [00:41:04]:
it done, you get it out. That's our, that's our partnership. So maybe you need

Jim Collison [00:41:08]:
a partner.

Dave Jackson [00:41:09]:
Well, and the good news is because after a while I was like, man, this

Dave Jackson [00:41:12]:
has taken my whole Saturday. And that's where I found AI tools to help me

Dave Jackson [00:41:16]:
out. So I eventually now I don't use Descript

Dave Jackson [00:41:20]:
anymore. I use, I have found that I'm using

Dave Jackson [00:41:24]:
buzzsprout's version of Authhonic to remove the

Dave Jackson [00:41:28]:
ums. Now, it doesn't remove the times when I go

Dave Jackson [00:41:31]:
like, like a time like, you know, it does remove. But you know what

Dave Jackson [00:41:35]:
people say? Like, people say, you know, and

Dave Jackson [00:41:39]:
it's. I love the fact I don't use their AI tool that writes the show

Dave Jackson [00:41:43]:
notes for you. It's not bad. But I've got

Dave Jackson [00:41:47]:
Cast O Matic. Cast Magic. Yes, Cast Magic. And I like

Dave Jackson [00:41:51]:
it show notes better. So I will upload one version to Cast

Dave Jackson [00:41:55]:
Magic to do my show notes and one minute or one version up to

Dave Jackson [00:41:58]:
buzzsprout to do its magic mastering and all that fun filled stuff. I take the

Dave Jackson [00:42:02]:
show notes from castmagic and copy and paste. And some people like, oh, that's too

Dave Jackson [00:42:06]:
hard. I'm using too many tools. I'm like, it's copy and paste. Come on

Dave Jackson [00:42:09]:
now, let's not get too crazy.

Jim Collison [00:42:11]:
But hey, can I, can I nerd out on that for a second?

Dave Jackson [00:42:13]:
Oh, wait, hold on. Here we go. That is on page

Dave Jackson [00:42:17]:
one. I'm hitting the button. And now.

Dave Jackson [00:42:21]:
Oh, he's been waiting and that's good. It's time for Jim to get his nerd

Dave Jackson [00:42:25]:
on.

Dave Jackson [00:42:32]:
Are you going to be too uncomfortable if I do this?

Jim Collison [00:42:34]:
No. Good.

Dave Jackson [00:42:35]:
Because I'm going to go get some water.

Jim Collison [00:42:37]:
Yes. Awesome. Okay, so when we think about AI

Jim Collison [00:42:41]:
and show notes, you know, a lot of the AI services have added a

Jim Collison [00:42:45]:
show note functionality to, to their services. Some of you probably using it.

Jim Collison [00:42:49]:
All they're really doing behind the scenes is creating the prompts for you.

Jim Collison [00:42:53]:
Right. And it's giving you some. And it's good stuff. I mean, I use it,

Jim Collison [00:42:56]:
I use OTTER AI for some of that. I, I use

Jim Collison [00:43:00]:
Auphonics stuff, but I don't use it straight out of

Jim Collison [00:43:04]:
those services. Like, I like to mix it with other things. And one of the

Jim Collison [00:43:08]:
cool things I've been using on Chat GPT, some of you may already know this,

Jim Collison [00:43:11]:
but you can, you can create projects in

Jim Collison [00:43:15]:
ChatGPT. So when you go in, take a chat and

Jim Collison [00:43:19]:
then just right click and say, make a project and name it whatever you want.

Jim Collison [00:43:22]:
For me, I just call it Home Gadget Geeks. And then for each

Jim Collison [00:43:26]:
show I create a new chat, but it's inside the project

Jim Collison [00:43:30]:
and inside projects. The various, the current chat

Jim Collison [00:43:34]:
that you're in has awareness of what's happened in the past in the

Jim Collison [00:43:38]:
project. And so it will look for things that you've done in the

Jim Collison [00:43:42]:
past or to look for ways or questions you've asked for in the past. Just

Jim Collison [00:43:46]:
gets a little bit smarter that way. And one of the things I've been working

Jim Collison [00:43:49]:
on inside these projects is kind of teaching ChatGPT what I want

Jim Collison [00:43:53]:
my show notes to look like. And so it begins to.

Jim Collison [00:43:57]:
So now I give it the transcripts and it just starts building the

Jim Collison [00:44:01]:
show notes the way I want them. And it's like, okay, so as

Jim Collison [00:44:05]:
example, I need a short summary, I need a long summary, I do an faq,

Jim Collison [00:44:10]:
I get the timestamps for the chapters, and then I do an extended

Jim Collison [00:44:14]:
summary that I get from Otter AI.

Jim Collison [00:44:18]:
And that's kind of the format I like in my show notes.

Jim Collison [00:44:22]:
And it just starts giving me. Now because I'm working in a project,

Jim Collison [00:44:26]:
it just starts giving it to me in that format, which is kind of cool.

Jim Collison [00:44:29]:
So if you've been looking to kind of develop your own way, you're like, oh

Jim Collison [00:44:33]:
yeah, I like those services, but it's not doing exactly the way I want it

Jim Collison [00:44:37]:
to think about rolling those chats. Make each

Jim Collison [00:44:41]:
one of your episodes a chat and then roll those chats into

Jim Collison [00:44:44]:
projects. Keep that project going inside of there. And it's been,

Jim Collison [00:44:48]:
it's been, I've been using it for eight or nine weeks now that way. And

Jim Collison [00:44:52]:
it's been a really successful way for me to kind of use

Jim Collison [00:44:55]:
AI in a way because I'm dumping, I dump the transcripts in, I dump the

Jim Collison [00:44:59]:
short and the long from, from both Otter and

Jim Collison [00:45:03]:
from a phonic that's in there. You know,

Jim Collison [00:45:07]:
Iphonic will do that stuff for you as well. And then what's super cool is

Jim Collison [00:45:10]:
if I Have a guest like last week at Jay Franzi. I can say, write

Jim Collison [00:45:14]:
a little bio piece for me on Jay Franzi, and it'll go out and

Jim Collison [00:45:19]:
kind of write that for you, which is kind of nice. And it makes for

Jim Collison [00:45:22]:
handy show notes. So if you're. If you're. If you

Jim Collison [00:45:26]:
weren't getting the service that you weren't from AI, now I have a chat GPT

Jim Collison [00:45:30]:
subscription. I bought the $20 subscription and

Jim Collison [00:45:34]:
so that I'm using that because I just found it was a little weird without

Jim Collison [00:45:37]:
it. It didn't work as well. But give that a try. Use those

Jim Collison [00:45:41]:
projects in there. It's a great way of getting

Jim Collison [00:45:45]:
similar topics or whatever you're doing kind of grouped together, and

Jim Collison [00:45:49]:
then it will consider all that work that you've done in those various

Jim Collison [00:45:53]:
chats as kind of a single project. There you go.

Dave Jackson [00:45:56]:
And now. There you go.

Jim Collison [00:45:58]:
Oh, he's been waiting for this.

Dave Jackson [00:45:59]:
It's time for Jim to get his nerd on. I need an ending.

Jim Collison [00:46:03]:
And now you just heard wakes people back up. That's what we need to, you

Jim Collison [00:46:06]:
know, get them awake. After I put them to sleep with my. With my boring

Jim Collison [00:46:10]:
text, the.

Dave Jackson [00:46:11]:
The chat room is agreeing. They're all like, yep, we do this. I.

Dave Jackson [00:46:15]:
I use Magi, and I was using ChatGPT last

Dave Jackson [00:46:19]:
night, trying to get it to draw some images, and that's probably just the wrong

Dave Jackson [00:46:23]:
tool for the right. Went over to Magi and they have a button like, hey,

Dave Jackson [00:46:25]:
you trying to make an image? Because I. I came up with one. I was

Dave Jackson [00:46:28]:
like, ah, this is not exactly what I'm looking for. And I went into

Dave Jackson [00:46:32]:
Magi and it said, here, use whatever it is. Banana, bo

Dave Jackson [00:46:36]:
bana, fanna, whatever, Nano banana. Nano Banana.

Dave Jackson [00:46:40]:
Yeah. And nailed it. On the first shot. I was trying to get four

Dave Jackson [00:46:44]:
blind guys touching an elephant. And it just. Everything I was trying was

Dave Jackson [00:46:48]:
like, nope, sorry, not it. And it nailed it on, like, the second try.

Dave Jackson [00:46:51]:
So I was like, ah. And that's. It's 20 bucks. And then you get all

Dave Jackson [00:46:55]:
sorts of tools under one. And I'm not using it a ton. So I've never

Dave Jackson [00:46:59]:
come close to burning through all my tokens or whatever you get.

Dave Jackson [00:47:02]:
But I use ChatGPT a lot just because I've never

Dave Jackson [00:47:06]:
hit my you're out of tokens thing on that either. So a

Dave Jackson [00:47:10]:
lot of times this sounds really bad, but

Dave Jackson [00:47:14]:
it's funny because I don't want to say the word sermon because it makes me

Dave Jackson [00:47:16]:
sound like a pastor. So I basically do a live

Dave Jackson [00:47:20]:
podcast every other week at my church. And there are many times when

Dave Jackson [00:47:24]:
I'm like, okay, here's what I'm talking about. Here's the story I'm going to be

Dave Jackson [00:47:28]:
talking about. So here's what I'm trying to get through. Find me Bible

Dave Jackson [00:47:31]:
verses that reinforce this theme.

Dave Jackson [00:47:35]:
Amazing. Like, he gives me too many. And then I'll go and

Dave Jackson [00:47:39]:
check the Bible to make sure that, like. But it is cut.

Dave Jackson [00:47:43]:
Making a sermon from like three hours down to about one.

Dave Jackson [00:47:47]:
And I kind of go, is this. Am I going to hell for this? Like,

Dave Jackson [00:47:50]:
wait.

Jim Collison [00:47:55]:
I'm not God, but, you know.

Dave Jackson [00:47:56]:
Yeah, yeah, Here we go. Chris from

Dave Jackson [00:47:59]:
castahead.net in Magi use a combination of

Dave Jackson [00:48:03]:
Claude in GPT 5.1 with a podcast expert

Dave Jackson [00:48:07]:
Persona for show notes and titles. Then a YouTube expert Persona for

Dave Jackson [00:48:11]:
Magi for titles, notes, tags. Magi sorts it all.

Dave Jackson [00:48:16]:
Yeah. John says, I like that I have cast magic, but I'm not crazy about

Dave Jackson [00:48:19]:
the show notes it provides. So I will try ChatGPT version. Yeah, I

Dave Jackson [00:48:23]:
mean, all these. You can kind of.

Jim Collison [00:48:25]:
John, once you get a format that you like and you're keeping it inside of

Jim Collison [00:48:28]:
projects, have a chat, do it just a separate chat where you

Jim Collison [00:48:32]:
feed that version of the show notes in

Jim Collison [00:48:36]:
and say, this is the format in the future. This is the format I want

Jim Collison [00:48:39]:
things. And it will remember that. And

Jim Collison [00:48:43]:
then it should start spitting out pretty close. It's not always perfect,

Jim Collison [00:48:47]:
but should start spitting that out for you pretty close. On ChatGPT,

Jim Collison [00:48:51]:
by the way, use the chats against each other. Like, or. Or I shouldn't

Jim Collison [00:48:55]:
say it that way. That sounds negative. Let them augment each other. Like, this is

Jim Collison [00:48:59]:
why I use auphonics. I don't like the way auphonics

Jim Collison [00:49:04]:
writing is done. They use the delve. Obviously, there's. I think they're still using an

Jim Collison [00:49:08]:
old version chatgpt over there. But they use the word delve a lot still

Jim Collison [00:49:12]:
in there. I've noticed that's kind of dropped out, by the way. I think we

Jim Collison [00:49:14]:
complained about delve enough that, like, because every podcast

Jim Collison [00:49:18]:
we're going to delve into, you're like, nobody uses that word. Stop.

Jim Collison [00:49:23]:
Stop it. ChatGPT. Nobody uses that word. Just like nobody used EM

Jim Collison [00:49:27]:
dashes. Now everybody in the chat's gonna be like, I used EM dash. I knew

Jim Collison [00:49:30]:
what that. No, nobody used EM dashes before chatgpt. They were

Jim Collison [00:49:34]:
there. Just nobody used them. The. So you.

Jim Collison [00:49:38]:
Yeah, anyways, you get. You've got. I think you can use

Jim Collison [00:49:42]:
those services to augment feed stuff in,

Jim Collison [00:49:46]:
you know, like, I use the transcripts from From Auphonic

Jim Collison [00:49:50]:
to give it some ideas with it, with the timestamps, everything that's in there,

Jim Collison [00:49:54]:
and it gives it a good idea and then can write some really good. It's

Jim Collison [00:49:56]:
written some. I think it's written some really good show notes for me over the

Jim Collison [00:50:00]:
last couple weeks.

Dave Jackson [00:50:01]:
So, yeah, Ralph's Chris. Well, first, Chris says

Dave Jackson [00:50:05]:
the secret is fact checking all of it.

Jim Collison [00:50:07]:
Oh, for sure.

Dave Jackson [00:50:08]:
AI will confidently lie to you sometimes. Yes, absolutely.

Jim Collison [00:50:12]:
It just wants to please you. It just wants to please you.

Dave Jackson [00:50:14]:
That's it. That's a great idea, Dave. You should jump off

Dave Jackson [00:50:18]:
a bridge. Yes, exactly.

Dave Jackson [00:50:24]:
And then who was. Oh, Ralph said, I also recommend

Dave Jackson [00:50:27]:
asking AI to give you a prompt which you can use in the future.

Dave Jackson [00:50:31]:
I do this all the time and it allows you to start a new chat

Dave Jackson [00:50:34]:
and it brings it up. The thing I thought was interesting, I took

Dave Jackson [00:50:38]:
a class on SEO and you go to it and say, I'm doing a blog

Dave Jackson [00:50:42]:
post about whatever the topic is.

Dave Jackson [00:50:47]:
Write one that is keyword

Dave Jackson [00:50:51]:
rich, I think, or something like that, and ask me X amount of

Dave Jackson [00:50:55]:
questions. So the guy I was doing with said, let's cap that at 10.

Dave Jackson [00:50:59]:
Ask me 10 questions to help you shape this

Dave Jackson [00:51:03]:
blog post and make it unique. So it took me about an hour to

Dave Jackson [00:51:07]:
answer the 10 questions to the point where I was kind of going, I could

Dave Jackson [00:51:10]:
have just written this myself. But in the end, it was a really

Dave Jackson [00:51:14]:
decent article that wasn't cookie cutter because it was using

Dave Jackson [00:51:18]:
my specific examples. So I thought that was kind of cool.

Dave Jackson [00:51:22]:
So did I show this one. I also recommended

Dave Jackson [00:51:26]:
asking AI to give you a prompt. Yeah, yeah, we talked about that one. John

Dave Jackson [00:51:30]:
says, I got Perplexity Pro free for a year.

Dave Jackson [00:51:34]:
Yeah, I really like Perplexity. That's. It's so funny

Dave Jackson [00:51:38]:
because a lot of times if I'm

Dave Jackson [00:51:42]:
like, I don't care right now I have my browser set up

Dave Jackson [00:51:46]:
to use Bing, of all things. Microsoft, Bing,

Dave Jackson [00:51:50]:
because if I. I'll have to go look, but I'll probably

Dave Jackson [00:51:53]:
make like, I don't know, $5, $10 this year by

Dave Jackson [00:51:57]:
using Bing. They pay you to use Bing, so on occasion I'll just throw that

Dave Jackson [00:52:01]:
in my. My address bar and like, who's.

Jim Collison [00:52:05]:
Copilot's not bad, right? That's. Copilot is the Microsoft version of

Jim Collison [00:52:09]:
it. If you've got. If you're using Edge,

Jim Collison [00:52:13]:
it's there. It's just embedded. It's not bad. I mean, is it the

Jim Collison [00:52:16]:
best one? Probably not, but is it. It's conversationally.

Jim Collison [00:52:20]:
It's dynamite. Like, it's really, really good conversationally.

Jim Collison [00:52:25]:
That's also a nod about it. I mean you can, I think they're using Chat

Jim Collison [00:52:28]:
GPT 5.2 on, you know, because Microsoft has that

Jim Collison [00:52:32]:
agreement with OpenAI so they get to use the latest ones. So

Jim Collison [00:52:36]:
you could be getting 5.2 service without

Jim Collison [00:52:40]:
the $20 investment in investment cost

Jim Collison [00:52:44]:
in, in chat GPT. So that's another one everybody's

Jim Collison [00:52:48]:
got. I don't know why there's so many Microsoft haters, but

Jim Collison [00:52:52]:
it's a budget version. Could work for you too if you, if you don't want

Jim Collison [00:52:56]:
to pay for it, give that a try.

Dave Jackson [00:52:58]:
Well, I would say why there are Microsoft haters. I would just offer one

Dave Jackson [00:53:02]:
word and that is Skype.

Dave Jackson [00:53:05]:
They took a great product and ran it kind of right into the ground.

Jim Collison [00:53:09]:
They made a lot of mistakes. They've made a lot of mistakes.

Dave Jackson [00:53:11]:
Yeah, but I'm still, I'm still a Microsoft guy. Let me show

Dave Jackson [00:53:15]:
you. And for our listeners, I will explain what I'm doing.

Dave Jackson [00:53:19]:
I just bought this based on the one and only in the chat room. Craig

Dave Jackson [00:53:23]:
from AI goes to college.com and live well and flourish. So if you want to

Dave Jackson [00:53:27]:
live well and flourish, not just live well, but you're going to flourish, check out

Dave Jackson [00:53:30]:
livewellandflourish.com but it's called Whisper Flow

Dave Jackson [00:53:35]:
and what it does and I'm sure there's probably a built in tool for

Dave Jackson [00:53:39]:
this on a Mac or whatever but all

Dave Jackson [00:53:43]:
I have to do is hold down and I forget because I'm still using a

Dave Jackson [00:53:46]:
Windows keyboard. I think it's option something something but I hold down control and

Dave Jackson [00:53:50]:
alt and the little thing at the bottom says see where it's blinking down here?

Dave Jackson [00:53:53]:
So I get this little wav file and I'm just talking and talking on and

Dave Jackson [00:53:57]:
when I let go it will type whatever. I just

Dave Jackson [00:54:01]:
did this thing at the bottom, see where it's blinking down here? So

Dave Jackson [00:54:05]:
last night I wrote a newsletter and I didn't type any of it because you

Dave Jackson [00:54:09]:
can actually do the two buttons plus the shift bar and it's hands free mode.

Dave Jackson [00:54:12]:
So I'd have to sit there holding down my stuff. And it does a whole

Dave Jackson [00:54:16]:
bunch of stuff. Like I mentioned Chris in

Dave Jackson [00:54:20]:
one case and the Chris I was talking about spells Chris

Dave Jackson [00:54:24]:
wrong in my opinion. They spelled with a K but it said I

Dave Jackson [00:54:28]:
will add this to the library. Or if I was doing something like the no

Dave Jackson [00:54:32]:
Agenda show where they constantly misspelled Dvorak. You could put

Dave Jackson [00:54:36]:
constant kind of weird names and things like that. It's a

Dave Jackson [00:54:39]:
whopping 12 bucks a month if you

Dave Jackson [00:54:43]:
go for the unlimited plan, I think. Do I have an affiliate link

Dave Jackson [00:54:47]:
for this? Of course I do, but it's. I was

Dave Jackson [00:54:51]:
surprised because I saw Craig use this at podindy

Dave Jackson [00:54:55]:
and I was kind of like, well, how hard is it to type? And then

Dave Jackson [00:54:58]:
I started and then it dawned on me, hey, you know, I kind of type

Dave Jackson [00:55:02]:
for a living at PodPage and now I can just talk my

Dave Jackson [00:55:05]:
tickets. I was like, well, that's kind of cool.

Dave Jackson [00:55:09]:
So yeah, there you go, Kris Kringle. Yeah, exactly.

Dave Jackson [00:55:15]:
Yeah. And then Brian is saying, we all do this. Basically

Dave Jackson [00:55:20]:
when you have a transcript, it is best to say proofread transcript, don't

Dave Jackson [00:55:24]:
summarize and fix the typos. Yeah. Anytime you're using AI,

Dave Jackson [00:55:28]:
never let it go to the public without reading it because

Dave Jackson [00:55:32]:
it's really easy to a make up stuff in some cases.

Dave Jackson [00:55:36]:
And yeah, Craig says the free version is more than enough to see if it

Dave Jackson [00:55:39]:
works for you. Yeah, you get 2,000 words I think a week

Dave Jackson [00:55:43]:
with Whisper flow to give it a shot. But I used it like 10

Dave Jackson [00:55:47]:
minutes and was like, oh, I'm getting the paid version. This is so cool.

Dave Jackson [00:55:51]:
So it basically, I'm sure there's probably some tool

Dave Jackson [00:55:55]:
on the Mac, some sort of text to speech thing or

Dave Jackson [00:55:59]:
whatever, but this just made it. Yes. Randy says, I

Dave Jackson [00:56:03]:
thought that was Monologue. I think he was using monologue in Indie.

Dave Jackson [00:56:06]:
And then when I asked Craig about it, we do a thing

Dave Jackson [00:56:10]:
every Friday called Lunch with Dave. And I asked him, I'm like, what was that

Dave Jackson [00:56:13]:
called? He goes, well, that was called Monologue, but this one might be better. And

Dave Jackson [00:56:17]:
so I went over and checked out Whisper. Yeah. So

Dave Jackson [00:56:21]:
exactly. You know what else is great Besides

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everybody's favorite time on Saturday morning. And that is

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the wheel. I need to get one of these buttons to be reverb

Dave Jackson [00:58:06]:
Wheel of names. So who will it be? I just mentioned John

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Muntz. Is it Sonic Cupcake? Mr. Ed

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Sullivan? Will it be Ralph Estepp Jr. At Financially Confident

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Christian? Well, we're going to click the button and find out.

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creative with their advertising where I noticed

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we will turn Back to see if anything new is coming from

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the world's greatest chat. And we have.

Dave Jackson [00:59:48]:
I did mention this earlier where somebody said, hey,

Dave Jackson [00:59:52]:
like, can I make money with my podcast in three weeks?

Dave Jackson [00:59:56]:
Can you? Well, yeah, I mean, you could sign up over at

Dave Jackson [01:00:00]:
Libsyn, and I think I may. Now, I do a show that

Dave Jackson [01:00:05]:
does not follow the best practices. Right. I do a show whenever I feel like

Dave Jackson [01:00:08]:
it. It's really hyper. It's just really my

Dave Jackson [01:00:12]:
audio diary and me trying to be either weird or

Dave Jackson [01:00:15]:
funny or in some cases, I just want to put my voice out into the

Dave Jackson [01:00:19]:
space. It's the best seven dollar therapy. Although now that Libsyn

Dave Jackson [01:00:23]:
changed their pricing, it's not $7 anymore,

Dave Jackson [01:00:27]:
but it's called building a better Dave. And I get maybe 80

Dave Jackson [01:00:31]:
listens an episode. And I think I made a $30 last

Dave Jackson [01:00:35]:
month with my you can make money from day one ads.

Dave Jackson [01:00:39]:
So can you make money? Yes. I mean, you can, you can, you can. Yeah.

Jim Collison [01:00:43]:
They're not lying. You can.

Dave Jackson [01:00:45]:
Yeah, it's just not a lot. And that's where I think.

Jim Collison [01:00:48]:
Did you get it out? Did you get the word out? Right.

Dave Jackson [01:00:50]:
Yeah, it's.

Jim Collison [01:00:51]:
By the way, you said three weeks. This one says three months.

Dave Jackson [01:00:54]:
Oh, I'm sorry.

Jim Collison [01:00:55]:
No, a little bit longer, I think, Dave, though, I think if

Jim Collison [01:00:59]:
I were gonna try to make a podcast and make

Jim Collison [01:01:02]:
money. Right. If there's nothing wrong with that.

Dave Jackson [01:01:06]:
Right, right. That's number one.

Jim Collison [01:01:07]:
There's nothing wrong with it. I think I would do it completely different

Jim Collison [01:01:11]:
and I would, I would use three months proof of

Jim Collison [01:01:15]:
concept. I'd create nine or ten shows.

Jim Collison [01:01:20]:
All the, all the advice we give, you know, get 10 titles,

Jim Collison [01:01:23]:
get 10 episodes. Do, do it 10 times. Like,

Jim Collison [01:01:28]:
and I would go fast, like, I would get it. I just try to see

Jim Collison [01:01:31]:
if that was. I do it, get it out there, do a bunch of

Jim Collison [01:01:35]:
promotion, try to get some people to listen to it, get some user feedback,

Jim Collison [01:01:39]:
and if it didn't land, I'd kill it and then I'd

Jim Collison [01:01:43]:
start over and I'd pivot. Is the entrepreneurs

Jim Collison [01:01:46]:
say I would pivot. And this is one

Jim Collison [01:01:50]:
of the areas, if you think about starting a physical business, this is a lot

Jim Collison [01:01:54]:
harder. But if you're for podcasting and because so much of

Jim Collison [01:01:57]:
it's virtual, you still need some capital up front to make this thing work. It's

Jim Collison [01:02:01]:
going to be your time. Right. Some of those kinds of things. But I would

Jim Collison [01:02:04]:
go fast, try to create a bunch of different ones and pivot pretty quick

Jim Collison [01:02:08]:
and see what catches kind of Ralph's Doing this right now. And, you know,

Jim Collison [01:02:12]:
he's kind of. He's pivoting around, trying some different things, seeing what works.

Jim Collison [01:02:16]:
I think if you're. If you're in the money game on this one, I think

Jim Collison [01:02:19]:
you got to treat it like it's a money thing. And you can't. You can't

Jim Collison [01:02:23]:
go year two. It's just too long. Things. Too many things change.

Jim Collison [01:02:27]:
I think that's where I would go if I was. If that's what I wanted

Jim Collison [01:02:31]:
to do was make money and just try a bunch of different things.

Jim Collison [01:02:35]:
See what works. Pivot hard. Now know when you're pivoting in

Jim Collison [01:02:38]:
this, you're gonna. You're gonna make some people mad. They started listening to you, and

Jim Collison [01:02:42]:
then they're like, hey, where did you go? Like, I liked this,

Jim Collison [01:02:46]:
you know, so, yeah, I think. I think that's.

Jim Collison [01:02:50]:
That's what I would do.

Dave Jackson [01:02:51]:
Well, you made a great point earlier. You're like, I'm

Dave Jackson [01:02:55]:
doing my show. I'm bringing it back to have fun,

Dave Jackson [01:02:59]:
because that's what I want to do. And I'm going to find other people that

Dave Jackson [01:03:02]:
think like me. A great example of that which kind of bummed us out

Dave Jackson [01:03:06]:
was Mike Rose original show. I can't remember

Dave Jackson [01:03:10]:
the name. Oh, that's the way I heard it, I think is what it's called.

Dave Jackson [01:03:13]:
And it was for people with a short attention span. So it was always like

Dave Jackson [01:03:16]:
10 minutes or less. And it was this great story. And then he got Joe

Dave Jackson [01:03:19]:
Rogan fever and decided to start doing an hour and a half long show. And

Dave Jackson [01:03:23]:
I'm like, hey, we're the people with a short attention Spanish. And

Dave Jackson [01:03:28]:
I got like, all right, stop listening to it. Yeah, I stopped listening to.

Jim Collison [01:03:32]:
And I was like, not as interesting. Right? His producer was

Jim Collison [01:03:36]:
like, it's like John Tesh started doing that. Like, the John. I don't know if

Jim Collison [01:03:40]:
you ever listen to the John Tesh radio show, but, I mean, he has a

Jim Collison [01:03:43]:
nationally syndicated radio show. Was just him. He gives

Jim Collison [01:03:46]:
advice for life. A lot of it's super cheesy, but okay.

Dave Jackson [01:03:50]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [01:03:50]:
I mean, okay, so. But he's been very popular with it. He

Jim Collison [01:03:54]:
started bringing his producer in. I'm like, no, no, this guy's not a radio

Jim Collison [01:03:58]:
talent. I did not. I didn't sign up for the producer. I was listening

Jim Collison [01:04:02]:
to you. So that doesn't always work. That doesn't always work either. I

Jim Collison [01:04:06]:
mean, John Tash has got serious vocal talent. I mean, that guy. Oh, yeah,

Jim Collison [01:04:09]:
that guy is some vocal talent, right. To bring in kind of a half

Jim Collison [01:04:13]:
Baked producer. I know they meant well, but again, for me,

Jim Collison [01:04:18]:
I was just like, no.

Dave Jackson [01:04:20]:
Yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:04:23]:
Changing a format to a permanent change, I think

Dave Jackson [01:04:27]:
is the thing. Like, I can handle somebody doing an interview or like every

Dave Jackson [01:04:31]:
now and then, but, like, you know, or if they're normally two people and

Dave Jackson [01:04:35]:
now it's just one of them, like, okay. But if it's a change for good,

Dave Jackson [01:04:39]:
there are times like, I love my buddy Scott Johnson does. What was that

Dave Jackson [01:04:43]:
like? And he started, which is smart. He got his community

Dave Jackson [01:04:46]:
involved. And there are times when he will ask just a question

Dave Jackson [01:04:51]:
to the audience and it's,

Dave Jackson [01:04:55]:
I'll hit play on it. But I kind of. I'm a little

Dave Jackson [01:04:58]:
less patient with those kind of episodes because it's not really what I tuned in

Dave Jackson [01:05:02]:
for. He had these amazing stories of people. Like,

Dave Jackson [01:05:06]:
the one where this guy just got attacked by a bear to where the bear

Dave Jackson [01:05:09]:
left him is a pile of mushrooms, literally. And he lived through it.

Dave Jackson [01:05:13]:
That was a great story versus what was

Dave Jackson [01:05:17]:
the most embarrassing thing that ever happened in public or something like that. So when

Dave Jackson [01:05:21]:
you change your format, it's tough. And for Scott, I think

Dave Jackson [01:05:25]:
his problem is it's hard to do his show, to find these

Dave Jackson [01:05:29]:
really unique stories and things like that. So

Dave Jackson [01:05:33]:
anytime you change, I mean, Ray Edwards was a guy that brought on his son

Dave Jackson [01:05:37]:
for a while that. That had me tuning out. Michael Hyatt. I

Dave Jackson [01:05:40]:
loved Michael Hyatt's show, but Michael Hyatt didn't like doing a

Dave Jackson [01:05:44]:
solo show, so he brought in a co host. I think he has his daughter

Dave Jackson [01:05:47]:
now. Every time I hear another person, I'm like, nope. I wanted wise

Dave Jackson [01:05:51]:
wisdom from Michael Hyatt. Michael Hyatt didn't like that. So

Dave Jackson [01:05:55]:
that's the thing where you go, well, I'm sure there are other people

Dave Jackson [01:05:59]:
talking about business and mentoring and things like that.

Dave Jackson [01:06:03]:
Ralph has a question for us. Says, I have a great idea for a show

Dave Jackson [01:06:07]:
that comes from real life, but because of the parties involved,

Dave Jackson [01:06:11]:
meaning me, I cannot use my voice or face,

Dave Jackson [01:06:14]:
and I don't want to use AI. Any thoughts?

Dave Jackson [01:06:19]:
My knee jerk reaction is ew. Because

Dave Jackson [01:06:23]:
if it's the thing that's resonating with people right now is

Dave Jackson [01:06:27]:
being authentic. And you can't be authentic because, you

Dave Jackson [01:06:31]:
know, as I always say, the Internet writes in ink. And I won't go through

Dave Jackson [01:06:34]:
the story. But I did an episode once called about

Dave Jackson [01:06:38]:
Amish porn. And what does that sound like? And then when

Dave Jackson [01:06:42]:
I met my girlfriend's kids, the first thing they did was

Dave Jackson [01:06:46]:
Google me. And the thing that came up was the episode about Amish porn,

Dave Jackson [01:06:50]:
which they then sent to grandma. So you have to be careful in

Dave Jackson [01:06:53]:
situations where you're talking about yourself, because your wife, your kids, they didn't ask

Dave Jackson [01:06:57]:
to be on the podcast. And even though when I talked about my

Dave Jackson [01:07:01]:
ex wife in the past, I just called her the nurse, but

Dave Jackson [01:07:05]:
she was like, yeah, but people know that's your podcast, and they know I'm

Dave Jackson [01:07:09]:
the nurse. And I'm like, well, why did you tell them?

Dave Jackson [01:07:14]:
But in the end, I had to quit mentioning the nurse because that was an

Dave Jackson [01:07:17]:
argument every time. She's like, would you please quit talking about me? I'm like,

Dave Jackson [01:07:20]:
okay, but nobody knows who they are, who you are. She goes, my friends do.

Dave Jackson [01:07:24]:
And I'm like, well, that's kind of your fault. But okay, so it's. That's the

Dave Jackson [01:07:28]:
tricky part.

Jim Collison [01:07:29]:
No, it's not. It's not her fault. I mean,

Jim Collison [01:07:32]:
again, this goes back to all things are. Are possible

Jim Collison [01:07:37]:
or permissible, but. Oh, yeah, profitable, right? And.

Jim Collison [01:07:40]:
Yeah, no, I think you need to be careful about

Jim Collison [01:07:45]:
who you mention and who you bring up to Ralph's point. Ralph, if you want

Jim Collison [01:07:48]:
to. I think if you want, I don't know, you know, AI does it. The

Jim Collison [01:07:52]:
most effective, as far as, you know, type it out, have

Jim Collison [01:07:56]:
an AI voice, do it for you.

Dave Jackson [01:07:58]:
And if you're doing an AI voice actor.

Dave Jackson [01:08:01]:
Yeah, if you. I guess that, you know, it's possible.

Dave Jackson [01:08:06]:
I just. When I hear something,

Dave Jackson [01:08:09]:
boy, it's because AI's got to deliver the

Dave Jackson [01:08:13]:
presentation, right? Whether that's video or audio. It'd be easier

Dave Jackson [01:08:17]:
with audio. And this is where

Dave Jackson [01:08:20]:
11Labs does a really cool tool. I haven't used 11Labs in a while, and I'm

Dave Jackson [01:08:24]:
kind of bummed because I canceled my $5 plan. And if I want to sign

Dave Jackson [01:08:27]:
back up, there is no $5 plan. And my voice

Dave Jackson [01:08:31]:
is on that platform. And I can't use my voice because I'm not paying whatever

Dave Jackson [01:08:35]:
it is. But they have a thing where you can read

Dave Jackson [01:08:38]:
it and then pick another voice and it will match

Dave Jackson [01:08:42]:
your intonation. Is that the right phrase? It'll basically. So

Dave Jackson [01:08:46]:
if you're talking slow and all of a sudden you get excited, it'll do all

Dave Jackson [01:08:49]:
that for you as opposed to going, oh, render it again. I like, because I

Dave Jackson [01:08:53]:
remember this one time I rendered something like six or seven times, and I would

Dave Jackson [01:08:57]:
literally going phrase by phrase. Oh, I like this phrase. And I was like,

Dave Jackson [01:09:01]:
so, you know, there are. I mean, they're doing that thing

Dave Jackson [01:09:05]:
in Hollywood where there's the one AI actress that you can

Dave Jackson [01:09:09]:
hire, you know, and of course, she's cute and bubbly and, you know, will work

Dave Jackson [01:09:13]:
anytime you want and doesn't complain. So

Dave Jackson [01:09:17]:
the creative side of me goes, let's see what that looks like and let's see

Dave Jackson [01:09:21]:
if it works. But my knee jerk reaction is like. Because I

Dave Jackson [01:09:25]:
know the people that listen to. I wish I

Dave Jackson [01:09:28]:
could remember the name of this company, but the one that's doing 3,000

Dave Jackson [01:09:32]:
episodes a week. Everybody's like, this is garbage. But. But they're

Dave Jackson [01:09:36]:
also not listening to it before they put it out. It's just. They're

Dave Jackson [01:09:40]:
all about quantity. Yeah.

Jim Collison [01:09:42]:
They're hoping something hits. That's all they're really

Jim Collison [01:09:46]:
trying to do is see if they can get it to hit.

Dave Jackson [01:09:49]:
Oh, see, Ralph has a suicide pact. I think he

Dave Jackson [01:09:53]:
goes, the topic is men dealing with wives in menopause and real ways

Dave Jackson [01:09:57]:
to survive it. But I cannot do it because of it being my

Dave Jackson [01:10:00]:
real life. But this will save marriages and make men.

Jim Collison [01:10:04]:
When that podcast comes out, we know who it is. Yeah.

Jim Collison [01:10:08]:
Said it in public, Ralph.

Dave Jackson [01:10:10]:
Yeah. Inconnection point. AI. Yeah, that's because, boy, if she

Dave Jackson [01:10:14]:
hears that, forget it. Game over. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:10:18]:
So, yeah, and I totally see his

Dave Jackson [01:10:22]:
point, because as someone who's lived with someone who went through menopause,

Dave Jackson [01:10:26]:
it's not a lot of fun. And, you know, it's.

Jim Collison [01:10:30]:
That's your. If it's therapy to record it, record it and then delete

Jim Collison [01:10:34]:
it and make sure you've deleted it. Like, make sure you use the

Jim Collison [01:10:38]:
encryption grade deleting to make sure it's deleted.

Jim Collison [01:10:43]:
Definitely.

Dave Jackson [01:10:44]:
Got a question from Todd the gator. He says,

Dave Jackson [01:10:48]:
I'm going to PodFest for the first time. What day is the most

Dave Jackson [01:10:52]:
impactful? If you could only pick one or two days. Okay, that's a

Dave Jackson [01:10:56]:
great question. Because often the first day

Dave Jackson [01:11:01]:
is first day light. Look at the schedule.

Dave Jackson [01:11:05]:
And usually it always seems like. Because I get there the day before.

Dave Jackson [01:11:09]:
And this isn't just a podfest thing. This is all events kind of do this

Dave Jackson [01:11:13]:
where the first day is kind of. Sometimes they'll have

Dave Jackson [01:11:17]:
workshops, but it always seems like day number two is like, that's

Dave Jackson [01:11:21]:
the day when, like, full schedule, you've got your

Dave Jackson [01:11:24]:
keynote speakers going. So I would check the schedule

Dave Jackson [01:11:28]:
because a lot of times the first day is, oh, we're doing a workshop for

Dave Jackson [01:11:33]:
these people. And it starts at, like, noon instead of

Dave Jackson [01:11:36]:
eight. It's kind of a half a day. So I would check the schedule

Dave Jackson [01:11:40]:
and just go there. That has been posted, by the way. I don't know what

Dave Jackson [01:11:44]:
day I'M speaking on. I'm speaking four times at podfest.

Dave Jackson [01:11:48]:
I'm speaking once, I am on two panels. And now,

Dave Jackson [01:11:52]:
and this is going to be probably one of the hardest things I have to

Dave Jackson [01:11:55]:
do. I'm inducting Mark Asquith into the Podcaster hall of

Dave Jackson [01:11:59]:
Fame. And because they're inducting, I believe it's either

Dave Jackson [01:12:03]:
11 or 12 people. The people inducting

Dave Jackson [01:12:07]:
the other people get two minutes.

Dave Jackson [01:12:11]:
So how. And you know me, I like to tell a story. So

Dave Jackson [01:12:15]:
I'm going to start working on that pretty soon to.

Dave Jackson [01:12:18]:
Because to me, Captivate. The

Dave Jackson [01:12:22]:
core of Captivate is they build things that either save podcasters

Dave Jackson [01:12:26]:
time or help them make money. And I'm like, okay,

Dave Jackson [01:12:30]:
that's got to be in there. And then the story of the time when

Dave Jackson [01:12:34]:
every time I saw it, because for eight years, Mark was a direct

Dave Jackson [01:12:38]:
competitor of me. And every time I'd see him, I go, hey, he's a

Dave Jackson [01:12:41]:
podcaster. I love what you're doing over there at Captivate. And as a

Dave Jackson [01:12:45]:
competitor, you're getting on my nerves, you know? So I'm like,

Dave Jackson [01:12:48]:
okay, that's 45 seconds. So that's going to be. Because making

Dave Jackson [01:12:52]:
a short show is harder than making a long show, in my opinion.

Dave Jackson [01:12:57]:
So that would be it. And be sure to bring chapstick. Be sure to

Dave Jackson [01:13:01]:
wear comfy shoes, throw in a granola bar or something

Dave Jackson [01:13:05]:
in your backpack. If you

Dave Jackson [01:13:08]:
don't want to pay $9 for a bottle of water, do it once. And then

Dave Jackson [01:13:12]:
usually podfest is pretty good at having watering fountains, but if they don't, you

Dave Jackson [01:13:16]:
can fill up at the gym. Almost always that's how I save, because I'm cheap.

Dave Jackson [01:13:21]:
There's that. And if you're having a really good conversation in the hallway and

Dave Jackson [01:13:24]:
you look down, you're like, oh, that session is starting. I would stay in the

Dave Jackson [01:13:28]:
hallway. I think that's it

Dave Jackson [01:13:32]:
in terms of tips for going, but it's plan your

Dave Jackson [01:13:36]:
stuff out. Like, look at the schedule. Don't wait till the day of.

Dave Jackson [01:13:40]:
Make sure you're going to the events that you want to go to.

Dave Jackson [01:13:44]:
And I look forward to. I'll be the guy walking around in a POD page

Dave Jackson [01:13:47]:
shirt. Another fun question from. Oh, this is a fun question to

Dave Jackson [01:13:51]:
answer from Randy Black. Is Libsyn going to survive everything

Dave Jackson [01:13:55]:
going on over there? Will they be sold?

Dave Jackson [01:13:59]:
I think my bottom line on

Dave Jackson [01:14:02]:
Lipson is I don't

Dave Jackson [01:14:06]:
understand what they're doing. And in my opinion,

Dave Jackson [01:14:10]:
they are out of touch with what the average podcaster wants.

Dave Jackson [01:14:15]:
When I worked there the then CEO, not Laurie

Dave Jackson [01:14:18]:
Sims, who was amazing. And if somebody said, what was the biggest

Dave Jackson [01:14:22]:
problem with Libsyn? Yeah, when the. The guy

Dave Jackson [01:14:26]:
that replaced her basically bought his way into the CEO's chair

Dave Jackson [01:14:30]:
and he said, oh, well, we'll always have hosting. And I was like, not with

Dave Jackson [01:14:34]:
that attitude. Because at that point Buzzsprout and Captivate were adding new features. And

Dave Jackson [01:14:38]:
I'm like, hey, anybody looking at these guys over here coming up

Dave Jackson [01:14:42]:
fast on the left hand side of us. So I, I think what

Dave Jackson [01:14:45]:
we're going to see is. And I, again, I have no

Dave Jackson [01:14:49]:
inside information. I have inside information that I can't talk about. But

Dave Jackson [01:14:53]:
I will say I no longer recommend them. Not that they're bad

Dave Jackson [01:14:57]:
and you shouldn't use them. I recommend other people that I feel are

Dave Jackson [01:15:01]:
better. But I think you're just going to see them become an

Dave Jackson [01:15:05]:
advertising company, much like Riverside is a

Dave Jackson [01:15:08]:
remote recorder that bolted on some hosting. They're going to be an advertising

Dave Jackson [01:15:12]:
company that has some pretty solid hosting. But in terms of features

Dave Jackson [01:15:16]:
with dynamic tools and, you know, podcasting

Dave Jackson [01:15:20]:
2.0 stuff, I just don't think. I don't know. Again, I'm

Dave Jackson [01:15:24]:
confused because the CEO that is there now and I don't know him,

Dave Jackson [01:15:29]:
came from Megaphone. So that guy knows podcasting.

Dave Jackson [01:15:34]:
And yet, you know, when was their last. And their last

Dave Jackson [01:15:37]:
features were all about, you know, like the pod roll thing, which was

Dave Jackson [01:15:41]:
confusing. Again, showing their kind of lack of knowledge of

Dave Jackson [01:15:45]:
podcasting 2.0 by naming it something that means something and the

Dave Jackson [01:15:49]:
future. So they did that. And I forget what else they

Dave Jackson [01:15:52]:
did. Oh, they opened up ads for everybody. So they used to be.

Dave Jackson [01:15:56]:
I'd have, you know, X amount of thousands of downloads to get advertising, and now

Dave Jackson [01:16:00]:
you could have 6 downloads and earn your 0.003

Dave Jackson [01:16:04]:
cents. So I don't know. I'm. I'm. It's sad. I mean, I've. There's a lot

Dave Jackson [01:16:07]:
of blood in that logo that came from me. And they're

Dave Jackson [01:16:11]:
just going, well, to be honest, I saw that writing on the wall two years

Dave Jackson [01:16:15]:
ago and just went, I think I'm going to get off this boat. And it

Dave Jackson [01:16:19]:
kills me because I still got, you know, Rob and.

Dave Jackson [01:16:24]:
Yep. All the. Corey, Brian, Sarah, Todd,

Dave Jackson [01:16:28]:
you know, there are people over there that I love and I can't wait to

Dave Jackson [01:16:30]:
see in Florida. But I'm just like, that's just. They're just

Dave Jackson [01:16:34]:
better options at this point. So Craig has a great point. We're

Dave Jackson [01:16:38]:
talking about, you know, growing your audience in that hole in the. In Yards. And

Dave Jackson [01:16:42]:
he said, this may sound odd, but to me, the best thing about being a

Dave Jackson [01:16:46]:
podcaster is being part of the podcaster community

Dave Jackson [01:16:50]:
or communities. Yeah. Because other communities see you

Dave Jackson [01:16:55]:
as like, when I was a musician, there was one band

Dave Jackson [01:16:59]:
that we partnered with, and basically, because we thought they were

Dave Jackson [01:17:03]:
good and they thought we were good. And so if a new club

Dave Jackson [01:17:07]:
opened and we got a gig, we would then tell them. If the

Dave Jackson [01:17:10]:
bar owner didn't say, do you know anybody else? But we were always doing that.

Dave Jackson [01:17:14]:
And then if we had a week off, we would go and see

Dave Jackson [01:17:18]:
that band play and likewise, and we would both bring each other up on stage.

Dave Jackson [01:17:22]:
So we were always cross promoting. And that was really odd.

Dave Jackson [01:17:26]:
Back in the day for musicians, everybody liked each other and we all saw

Dave Jackson [01:17:29]:
each other, but actually helping each other, that was like, no, no.

Dave Jackson [01:17:33]:
Where. I don't get that. In podcasting, you know, people

Dave Jackson [01:17:38]:
that. Especially in the early days, people used to swap promos all the

Dave Jackson [01:17:42]:
time. And now I don't think that happens as often,

Dave Jackson [01:17:45]:
but I think we're back in the day. Yeah, you would

Dave Jackson [01:17:49]:
swap promos with anybody, like, whether it related to your audience or not.

Dave Jackson [01:17:54]:
So, yeah, I love the podcast community.

Jim Collison [01:17:58]:
Why do you think that is, that people don't.

Dave Jackson [01:18:04]:
I think we're a little smarter about marketing.

Dave Jackson [01:18:07]:
Like, if I took a

Dave Jackson [01:18:11]:
promo for. I'm trying to think what just wouldn't work. You know,

Dave Jackson [01:18:16]:
triathletes don't know that. I have a lot of triathletes in my audience.

Dave Jackson [01:18:21]:
Probably some of them are, I guarantee. But if somebody said,

Dave Jackson [01:18:25]:
hey, would you play my triathlete promo in my show?

Dave Jackson [01:18:30]:
You know, back in the day, we'd go, yeah, sure, why not? Okay. And then

Dave Jackson [01:18:33]:
here's mine. And now, how many triathletes are

Dave Jackson [01:18:36]:
podcasters unless they're running and recording while they're

Dave Jackson [01:18:40]:
talking? Maybe, maybe not. You know, So I think we're just

Dave Jackson [01:18:44]:
more. And what's weird is if you get too close,

Dave Jackson [01:18:48]:
like, hey, your show is just like mine, then we do kind of

Dave Jackson [01:18:52]:
get that reflex of, oh, you are my competition. And so

Dave Jackson [01:18:57]:
instead of seeing it as, oh, here's someone I can collaborate, and you can

Dave Jackson [01:19:01]:
listen to me on Monday and you can listen to Jim on Tuesday. I don't

Dave Jackson [01:19:04]:
know. Do you have any ideas on why that might be?

Jim Collison [01:19:07]:
Well, I mean, I think it follows the maturing of the podcasting

Jim Collison [01:19:11]:
space. You know, in those early days, we didn't have everybody.

Jim Collison [01:19:15]:
You know, dynamic ad insertion wasn't a thing.

Dave Jackson [01:19:18]:
Right.

Jim Collison [01:19:18]:
And everybody fighting for the dollars. We didn't have.

Jim Collison [01:19:22]:
I Mean, it's just. It got to be business. And

Jim Collison [01:19:26]:
I think when it got to be business, it was less about the technology

Jim Collison [01:19:30]:
and the, hey, we could do this. And it became more about,

Jim Collison [01:19:34]:
you know, protecting one's turf,

Jim Collison [01:19:38]:
so to speak. And that just changed things, right? I mean, as much as we

Jim Collison [01:19:42]:
wanted to say, oh, yeah, we're all friendly in the space,

Jim Collison [01:19:47]:
as soon as the money really started coming into the space, and the money

Jim Collison [01:19:51]:
wasn't just advertising, you know, we. We as podcasters, we pay for

Jim Collison [01:19:55]:
these services, right? We pay for hosting. There's money in

Jim Collison [01:19:59]:
that, you know, and so, you know, as. As

Jim Collison [01:20:03]:
much as we'd like to say, again, we're all friendly in the space, as soon

Jim Collison [01:20:06]:
as money comes in where two or more are gathered, there will be conflict.

Jim Collison [01:20:10]:
And so, you know, you just always have to know the

Jim Collison [01:20:13]:
money. The money, I want to say, ruined it. It changed it.

Dave Jackson [01:20:17]:
It changed it. Yep.

Jim Collison [01:20:18]:
Money changed things.

Dave Jackson [01:20:19]:
In the immortal words of Cyndi Lauper, money

Dave Jackson [01:20:23]:
changes everything.

Jim Collison [01:20:24]:
Money changes everything.

Dave Jackson [01:20:25]:
And it does. Here's another question from

Dave Jackson [01:20:29]:
Ralph, which will allow me to talk about another

Dave Jackson [01:20:33]:
show for those who are posting to YouTube. Has anyone

Dave Jackson [01:20:37]:
seen more of their videos being flagged for content?

Dave Jackson [01:20:41]:
I've been getting blocked for my accounting videos for

Dave Jackson [01:20:45]:
false claims. That's interesting. He says, they blocked my video

Dave Jackson [01:20:49]:
with the name why Creators Lose Thousands Without Realizing it,

Dave Jackson [01:20:52]:
claiming that was false and misleading. Well, if you go over

Dave Jackson [01:20:56]:
to podcast411 and look for the episode with Zach

Dave Jackson [01:21:00]:
Smith, and for the record, Libson

Dave Jackson [01:21:04]:
canceled their show, the feed, without letting them have a final

Dave Jackson [01:21:08]:
episode. And you can kind of get some of that information

Dave Jackson [01:21:12]:
over from Rob, who immediately fired up podcast 41 1.

Dave Jackson [01:21:17]:
But that interview with Zach Smith guy had a huge

Dave Jackson [01:21:21]:
YouTube following, you know, making a decent amount of money.

Dave Jackson [01:21:25]:
And all of a sudden, they implemented AI to track

Dave Jackson [01:21:28]:
who was breaking the rules. And he said it was almost

Dave Jackson [01:21:32]:
immediate, like, he would post something, it would immediately get flagged. And he

Dave Jackson [01:21:36]:
said that happened from time to time. He goes, and the first time they got

Dave Jackson [01:21:40]:
flagged for bad language. And he's like, okay, but we said it

Dave Jackson [01:21:44]:
had bad language. He goes, so, you know, he appealed it, and it was

Dave Jackson [01:21:48]:
immediately, nope, that's your first strike. And then they did a second

Dave Jackson [01:21:51]:
one. They're like, that's kind of weird. Let's try this, okay? And you're flagged,

Dave Jackson [01:21:55]:
and we appeal, and that's your second strike. So the third one, like, guys,

Dave Jackson [01:21:59]:
we've got to keep it squeaky clean. Like, nobody even say

Dave Jackson [01:22:03]:
duty or. Or, you know, no one even hint about the word

Dave Jackson [01:22:07]:
sphincter. So they were all very clean. And

Dave Jackson [01:22:11]:
third strike, you're gone. And there's no appeal. The appeal was

Dave Jackson [01:22:15]:
to an AI bot. And so that might be something about

Dave Jackson [01:22:19]:
that that I just. And so this guy's on Rumble now,

Dave Jackson [01:22:23]:
and he said, Rumble is okay, but the ads aren't as good and this and

Dave Jackson [01:22:26]:
that. So he's still cruising along. But he also came up with other

Dave Jackson [01:22:31]:
ways of monetizing for that. So I,

Dave Jackson [01:22:35]:
I, I need, I, that's a 2026 thing for me. I need to get back

Dave Jackson [01:22:39]:
more on YouTube besides this show. Dan had another Libsyn

Dave Jackson [01:22:42]:
question. Did they ever get feature parity from Libsyn 4 to

Dave Jackson [01:22:46]:
Libsyn 5? From what I understand, the answer is no.

Dave Jackson [01:22:50]:
So they're just going to be features missing. But I could be wrong

Dave Jackson [01:22:54]:
with that. But I don't. From, from what I heard,

Dave Jackson [01:22:58]:
I just, again, I, I don't understand what they're doing over there. I really

Dave Jackson [01:23:02]:
don't. When, when my friends get out of that boat,

Dave Jackson [01:23:06]:
I'll. I'll be more transparent. But I'm

Dave Jackson [01:23:10]:
just like, there are better options.

Dave Jackson [01:23:14]:
Yeah. Ralph says that's why I also post a Rumble, but many don't know it

Dave Jackson [01:23:18]:
exists. Yeah, that's the thing. That's where YouTube shines. If I say,

Dave Jackson [01:23:22]:
man, did you guys see that video with the, you know, silverback gorilla

Dave Jackson [01:23:26]:
that punches a punching bag out of the, you know, pin or

Dave Jackson [01:23:30]:
whatever? I'm going to YouTube to look for that. I, I don't go,

Dave Jackson [01:23:34]:
oh, I must go to Spotify video. No. And I don't, you know,

Dave Jackson [01:23:38]:
go to Rumble. So they have, they've really cornered the market

Dave Jackson [01:23:42]:
on video. But I know other people

Dave Jackson [01:23:47]:
that will do half a show. They're like, okay, for the rest of the

Dave Jackson [01:23:50]:
show, we're going to talk about the things we can't talk about here on Rumble.

Dave Jackson [01:23:55]:
And I'm like, that's a weird experience for the audience. But they're using

Dave Jackson [01:24:00]:
YouTube's algorithm to keep the audience that's there,

Dave Jackson [01:24:03]:
and those that really want the content, they'll go over to

Dave Jackson [01:24:07]:
Rumble. I've played with Rumble a little bit. I know I used to stream to

Dave Jackson [01:24:11]:
it a couple times here. I had to go over and get a bunch. It

Dave Jackson [01:24:14]:
was a. Again, not hard. Just copy and paste, copy and paste,

Dave Jackson [01:24:18]:
copy and paste, copy and paste. And now we're ready. Where

Dave Jackson [01:24:22]:
X and LinkedIn and things like that.

Dave Jackson [01:24:26]:
Yeah. Dan says, I wish they didn't have a size limit. I didn't know they

Dave Jackson [01:24:28]:
did. My videos are often over 15 gigs. So I can

Dave Jackson [01:24:32]:
really. So I can't really upload there without doing extra

Dave Jackson [01:24:36]:
compression. Yeah. And that's again, it's not hard. Right.

Dave Jackson [01:24:40]:
You got to go, hold on. Change this compression that. Blah, blah, blah, export.

Dave Jackson [01:24:44]:
But that export takes a while and it's just not as simple.

Dave Jackson [01:24:48]:
So I didn't know that. That's interesting. It's. It's

Dave Jackson [01:24:53]:
because I know. I heard Vimeo got bought by the people that

Dave Jackson [01:24:56]:
bought Streamyard. I don't know if that's true or not, but I heard they

Dave Jackson [01:25:00]:
got bought and they're going to be, you know, whatever it is, bending spoons.

Dave Jackson [01:25:05]:
And I was like, I need to. It's so weird now that

Dave Jackson [01:25:09]:
anytime, like I got caught this week by fake

Dave Jackson [01:25:13]:
news. Somebody said the Cleveland Browns fired their coach. And I was

Dave Jackson [01:25:16]:
like, well, not surprised. He's been awful. But is it the coach? Is it the

Dave Jackson [01:25:20]:
blah, blah, blah. And then I looked around, I went to clevelandbrowns.com not

Dave Jackson [01:25:24]:
a note about the coach getting fired. And I was like,

Dave Jackson [01:25:28]:
oh, that looked really real and the whole

Dave Jackson [01:25:32]:
nine yards. And I was like, oh, this is the joys of fake news.

Dave Jackson [01:25:35]:
So did anybody know? Is Daniel J. Lewis in the chat room?

Jim Collison [01:25:40]:
I haven't seen him.

Dave Jackson [01:25:40]:
I haven't seen him this morning because my Buddy Mark from

Dave Jackson [01:25:44]:
PracticalPrepping.info asked a great question. And that

Dave Jackson [01:25:48]:
is now that Apple's making chapter markers.

Dave Jackson [01:25:52]:
So I hit play on somebody showing Apple. I look at the first two chapters

Dave Jackson [01:25:56]:
and go. And then I see chapter three is really what I want to hear.

Dave Jackson [01:25:59]:
I click on chapter three, it jumps to the 13 minute mark.

Dave Jackson [01:26:03]:
Do I get credit for listening to the first 13 minutes or does that

Dave Jackson [01:26:07]:
count as a skip? I'd be interested to see what that looks

Dave Jackson [01:26:11]:
like. I would think. I don't know. That's the part I just don't know. And

Dave Jackson [01:26:15]:
I thought if anybody would know. Well, if anybody would know, it'd be Ted from

Dave Jackson [01:26:19]:
Apple. I think I have his email address, but it might be Daniel

Dave Jackson [01:26:23]:
because he's the king of chapters now. But that is something I was trying

Dave Jackson [01:26:27]:
to figure out. I'm like, I don't know if it does or that. Yeah,

Dave Jackson [01:26:31]:
well, here we go. We have some praise from the one and only Ralph.

Dave Jackson [01:26:35]:
He says, let me say this. Thank you, Dave Jackson and Jim Collison for doing

Dave Jackson [01:26:38]:
the show again this year. I truly appreciate your weekly show and I've learned a

Dave Jackson [01:26:42]:
lot from it. Thank you and Happy New Year. Yeah, happy New Year to you

Dave Jackson [01:26:45]:
guys. Yes, Vimeo was bought by bending spoons for

Dave Jackson [01:26:49]:
over $1 billion announced in September, I think. But

Dave Jackson [01:26:53]:
I don't know if the acquisition is completed yet. So that's a whole

Dave Jackson [01:26:57]:
lot of money. Yeah. To which Chris says vimeo is still a

Dave Jackson [01:27:01]:
thing, of course, because, you know, Chris, Dan, they're all part

Dave Jackson [01:27:04]:
of the world's greatest Chad.

Dave Jackson [01:27:10]:
So, Mr. Collison, what is. Well, first of all, do you have any big plans

Dave Jackson [01:27:13]:
for New Year's Eve?

Jim Collison [01:27:15]:
No.

Dave Jackson [01:27:16]:
Yeah, me neither. And I've actually, I did this

Dave Jackson [01:27:19]:
experiment, and it turns out if you don't stay up to midnight,

Dave Jackson [01:27:23]:
the year still rolls in. Like, you wake up, you're like, hey, it's

Dave Jackson [01:27:26]:
2026. And I've learned that all of the shows

Dave Jackson [01:27:31]:
that, you know, with artists and stuff like Fog Hat

Dave Jackson [01:27:35]:
is not going to be on anybody's show this year, you know, they're all

Dave Jackson [01:27:38]:
artists that I've never heard of, and they just go, oh, not for me. Not

Dave Jackson [01:27:41]:
for me. Even the Dick Clark one, I was like. Because I remember growing up,

Dave Jackson [01:27:45]:
there was a Ryan Seacrest. Yeah, Ryan

Dave Jackson [01:27:49]:
Seacrest. Dick Clark's Rockin Eve.

Jim Collison [01:27:51]:
Yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:27:51]:
That's a weird name. Somebody's getting paid for that.

Dave Jackson [01:27:55]:
But I was. I remember growing up, there was still a channel that

Dave Jackson [01:27:59]:
had Guy Lombardo, which I couldn't name it. Like, it was just a big

Dave Jackson [01:28:03]:
band and it was for old people. And I'm like, where is the Guy Lombardo

Dave Jackson [01:28:07]:
channel that has, you know, Bon Jovi and,

Dave Jackson [01:28:11]:
you know, Journey, Skid Row,

Dave Jackson [01:28:15]:
you know, special appearance by Ted Nugent,

Dave Jackson [01:28:18]:
Rat, you know, and the

Dave Jackson [01:28:22]:
Eurythmics. Yeah.

Jim Collison [01:28:24]:
Oh, yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:28:25]:
Boy George.

Jim Collison [01:28:26]:
Annie's still around. And she.

Dave Jackson [01:28:27]:
She's still around and can still sing. So. But gym, what

Dave Jackson [01:28:31]:
is coming up on Home Gadget Geeks as we're.

Jim Collison [01:28:34]:
Yeah. This week. So Jay Franzi was on. We

Jim Collison [01:28:37]:
actually spent some time. Jay wrote some lyrics for the

Jim Collison [01:28:41]:
home Guy. A new home gadget.

Dave Jackson [01:28:43]:
Oh, yeah.

Jim Collison [01:28:44]:
Theme song. And so he wrote some lyrics, used

Jim Collison [01:28:48]:
Sono for that. I think it was. I think it was that you go back.

Jim Collison [01:28:51]:
I need to actually go back and look on the website he was using. But

Jim Collison [01:28:55]:
we spent most of the show in the creative process on the

Jim Collison [01:28:59]:
show of working through, like, oh, I didn't like that. Maybe we could do it

Jim Collison [01:29:02]:
like this. Maybe we could change that. And so we have about eight different

Jim Collison [01:29:06]:
takes on the originally created. And then what

Jim Collison [01:29:10]:
I took in the end. And at the end of the show, I played the

Jim Collison [01:29:13]:
theme song. And so then I uploaded it to YouTube to see if it would

Jim Collison [01:29:16]:
get a strike for, you know.

Jim Collison [01:29:20]:
Nope, it was good to go so you can check that

Jim Collison [01:29:24]:
out, that whole process. If you're interested in creating some new musical stuff for

Jim Collison [01:29:28]:
your podcasts that might not get caught, try it. Listen to it.

Jim Collison [01:29:31]:
Homegadgetgeeks.com right now.

Dave Jackson [01:29:34]:
I saw as is it sunos. I guess that's how you say that.

Dave Jackson [01:29:38]:
A girl uploaded a guitar track and then she asked it

Dave Jackson [01:29:42]:
to add drums and bass and basically made a song. And I was like, if

Dave Jackson [01:29:45]:
I had that when I was 15, I would have never come out of the

Dave Jackson [01:29:48]:
basement. I was like, holy.

Jim Collison [01:29:49]:
It's pretty cool.

Dave Jackson [01:29:50]:
It was pretty amazing.

Jim Collison [01:29:51]:
It was fun to watch Jay and his. His lyrical stuff is

Jim Collison [01:29:55]:
amazing.

Dave Jackson [01:29:56]:
Yeah. On the school of podcasting, if you want to be part

Dave Jackson [01:30:00]:
of this, do it right now. As in right now.

Dave Jackson [01:30:03]:
Schoolofpodcasting.com? i need your answers

Dave Jackson [01:30:07]:
by the end of today, so, like, if I could get them by 3 o'

Dave Jackson [01:30:10]:
clock Eastern. The question what's your favorite podcast and

Dave Jackson [01:30:14]:
why? Because we're really into the why. And we'll

Dave Jackson [01:30:18]:
be playing that next week so we can all learn what people are looking for

Dave Jackson [01:30:21]:
in a podcast. So we will see you next year. Ha ha.

Dave Jackson [01:30:25]:
With another episode of Ask the Podcast Coach. Happy New

Dave Jackson [01:30:29]:
Year, everybody.