Is Organic Growth Dead? Is RSS losing it's Power?

Dave Jackson [00:00:01]:
Ask the podcast coach for January 10, 2026. Let's get ready to podcast. There it is. It's that music that means it is Saturday morning, it's time for Ask the Podcast Coach where you get your podcast questions answered live. I'm Dave jackson from the schoolofpodcasting.com and I'm pausing here cause I just. There it is. That's me, that's me. And over right there in this button butter work is the one and only Jim Cullison from the Average guy tv.

Dave Jackson [00:00:33]:
Yeah, I, I dotted eyes and crossed T's because overnight my Mac updated to a new and I was like, oh, we better double check everything. So Jim, how's it going buddy?

Jim Collison [00:00:46]:
Greetings Dave. Happy Saturday morning to you. It has been a Mac updating weekend. I forgot about that. I held mine off a little bit. So I've still got the little Red, Little red X but time for updates. Hey, just a reminder, it's that time of the year, tax time for folks in the United States. Tax time's coming.

Jim Collison [00:01:01]:
It's a good time to check your smoke detectors. It's a time to check your backups. It's a good time to check your updates. Just make sure you don't get caught in the middle of one. I think, Dave, I think we're in a. Technology wise, we're in a pretty good spot these days where those things don't just happen to you like they used to. Even with Windows, who's the worst at updates, right? I mean they just, there's so many of them and in the old days they used to just reboot on you like totally just no, not even asking. We're just doing it.

Jim Collison [00:01:32]:
It's gonna get done. I think we're past. You may disagree with me and that's okay if you do. We're past most of it, but welcome to 2026. I know we did a show last year, but that was a goof around holiday show, right? We're in it now. Your first full week back at work. How are you feeling, Dave, after a full. Isn't that.

Dave Jackson [00:01:55]:
Yeah, it's weird. Tim says friends don't like. Friends don't let friends use Macs. I gotta tell you. Now granted I was plugging in a monitor so it wasn't like I was, you know, reconfiguring RA or something. But I finally am now have dual monitors on my Mac. The PC is sitting here gathering more dust and I plugged in the monitor. I didn't have to go into my settings and say hey, I got another monitor.

Dave Jackson [00:02:19]:
It was just like, boop, here it's going. So. Yeah. But in terms of the week, I thought I would be better this week, but somehow my sleeping habits have gotten all screwed up and I find myself taking involuntary naps for no apparent reason.

Jim Collison [00:02:37]:
So you're just like, I've been working for eight hours. Like, this is terrible. Like, I need a day off. You know, it's just, it's coming back from this. I don't know why these two weeks, Christmas and New Year's, first of all, we should do, we should change that and spread those things out a little bit. Like, why do we have a holiday, a month. November, December. October, November, December.

Jim Collison [00:02:58]:
And then all of a sudden, no holidays until Easter. Like, yeah, Christmas, maybe it should be February 25th or something like that.

Dave Jackson [00:03:07]:
Well, that's got Valentine's Day, you know, that's not a. Yeah, so. But if you're tired, you know, there is something you could do to help with that. Of course. And that is popping height. Hot cup of. Why can I not say?

Jim Collison [00:03:21]:
You kind of messed that up quite a bit.

Dave Jackson [00:03:23]:
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Jim Collison [00:04:36]:
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Dave Jackson [00:05:16]:
Yeah. These are things I'm learning now. Like, oh, wait, that alert is on the Mac. And now the Mac's going to them. Like, I gotta stop that.

Jim Collison [00:05:24]:
I'm not sure right now there's a better computer for podcasting than a Mac mini M4.

Dave Jackson [00:05:30]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:05:30]:
I mean, you can do it. You can do the Mac, you know, the laptops, the versions of those. But, boy, that Mini is such a powerful device. You know, I don't know if you need to necessarily need a laptop for. You know, I like to carry laptops around. I like my podcast setup to be pretty static. Right. I don't want to be putting things down, plugging them in, all those kinds of things.

Jim Collison [00:05:52]:
It's just a really good. I've been on. I did the M1 for a couple years. I've been on the M4 now since it came out.

Dave Jackson [00:05:58]:
Yeah. I'm on an M2.

Jim Collison [00:05:59]:
Dynamite. Yeah. It's just the M2 is great. I mean, it's just a dynamite. It's kind of made for podcasting in a lot of ways.

Dave Jackson [00:06:06]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:06:06]:
And I'll be honest with you, I don't take any advantage with the exception of Time Machine. And from a backup standpoint, listen, I was a Windows MVP for Home Server. Yeah. Just be really clear about this. Time Machine smokes anything Windows has ever done when it comes to backup. Right. You always. On the Windows side, you always got to go to somebody else to get it.

Jim Collison [00:06:28]:
It's complicated and whatever. And there's. Trust me, there's ways to do it. And I'm sure you're doing it in a way that works great for you. Keep doing it. But, man, for the average guy, Time Machine backup to something else is just nails. And so. I know, listen, I know the Mac PC thing, it's like the Java Net thing.

Jim Collison [00:06:48]:
I think that's pretty much when we're working on computers most of the time, we're not spending time in the OS anymore. It's all about apps. And actually, Dave, in this case, we're coming in. It's a web service, right?

Dave Jackson [00:07:00]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:07:01]:
Coming in on the web. So it doesn't really matter for the most part.

Dave Jackson [00:07:04]:
Yeah. I have turned me down. I know the last couple weeks they're saying, you're too quiet. And I'm like, okay, I've turned me down because you're at least on my end, you're up as loud as you can go. Yeah. But we do have a question. First of all, Dave said, welcome to the club of involuntary naps. Right?

Jim Collison [00:07:27]:
Yeah. That may be as much of an age thing as holiday thing, but Mr.

Dave Jackson [00:07:33]:
Nessie, Mr. Chris Nessie says, hey, I've changed my podcast media host, thank you. And I'm a podpage user. Do I need to update the RSS feed pulling into podpage or will the 301 redirect on my old host be enough? Here's the cool thing. When you put the 301 redirect in, you're done. That's it. PodPage will update to the new feed. Now, if you want to, you can go into Settings RSS feed and paste in your new one if you want to do it manually.

Dave Jackson [00:08:00]:
But PodPage will follow with the 301 redirect and update. And then the next time it updates, your old media host players will vanish and the new ones will show up. So the only thing that is kind of like, oh, just so you know, because PodPage will import your show notes and if you add another paragraph and a half to that, the paragraph and a half that you added that's not in your feed will go bye bye. So that's the only. But a lot of times now I've switched. I used to have my show notes fairly concise and then I would add more stuff to the website. And now with the way Apple and different apps are kind of transcribing and all the other fun stuff, I'm like, well, let's just put the, you know, worst case scenario, the person has to scroll to see the links. I'm like, that's not the world's worst thing.

Dave Jackson [00:08:53]:
So, yeah, so you don't have to do anything. That's the beauty of it. The thing that sucks is when you're on WordPress and you have 900 episodes, when you switch media hosts, you have to go back and switch all 900 episodes by hand. I was like, unless you have some sort of plugin that's based on RSS or something like that. But yeah, that's the good news. Everybody's saying good morning in the chat room, so good morning to you as well. If you're going to be at podfest, I'll be walking around in a POD Page shirt. There's a lot of pods coming out of my mouth this morning.

Dave Jackson [00:09:31]:
Pod Fest, PodPage. So here we go. But we did have a question. I saw this this morning. Without getting into the old, you know, video is not a podcast kind of thing. This person said, I've been noticing more podcasters moving into video, even when their shows originally work perfectly as audio only. On one hand, video seems to help with discoverability and clips for social platforms. Absolutely true.

Dave Jackson [00:09:59]:
But on the other hand, it adds more complexity. Kinda editing time. Absolutely. And pressure to perform. Yeah, I would say that for those who have tried both. Did adding video generally help your podcast grow or did it mostly increase workload without much return? I'm curious whether video has been worth it in real world experience or if audio first is still the smarter focus for most shows. Well, I would say it's always the smarter focus because it's less burnout. I need to go look at it.

Dave Jackson [00:10:31]:
Tom Webster and sounds profitable. Put out a report called the Consumers, I think it is, or the Producers. It's one of those one word things. But it's all about podcasters and they said that one of the things, at least from what I've heard, because I've not read it, so maybe you should just shut up. But it sounds like the people I've heard talk about it that maybe doing video tends to burn you out a little quicker. I would see if you're brand new. I could see that. Absolutely.

Dave Jackson [00:11:04]:
Chris from castahead.net says any thoughts on iHeart announcing video via RSS? Only a few hosts really have that capability, but could spur this to others. Yeah, I heard that it was like that. Number one, it's iHeart which owns Spreaker. And right now I think Spreaker has a problem because it's free. Right. They're one of the free hosts and sort of.

Jim Collison [00:11:34]:
Sort of free.

Dave Jackson [00:11:34]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:11:35]:
They have a free plan. It's severely limited. Well, I use it. I mean, I don't use it for my regular host. I use it. But it's really limited. So I don't. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:11:47]:
And I know.

Jim Collison [00:11:48]:
Viable.

Dave Jackson [00:11:49]:
Yeah. They own one of those ad services. I'm sure they do. Because. And so it's. How's that go? Causation doesn't equal something. But it's like it's one of those where it just so happens, let's put it that way, that every time I hear someone talk about an AI slop podcast, they're all using Spreaker because they've got the ads. The AI.

Dave Jackson [00:12:20]:
Yeah. And so to the point where I'm not sounding the alarm yet, but if you're on Spreaker, you may find a time in the future, because there are, like, I was listening to the podcasting 2.0 show. So they do the whole podcast index, which is the kind of open version of the database of podcasts. So it's bigger than Apple, and they build it because Apple and other apps started pulling people. They're like, oh, well, you said booger too many times. You're gone. And so they built this thing. But now when you get people making 3,000 episodes a week and you're the database.

Dave Jackson [00:13:01]:
Holy cow. And if more and more people start doing that, these different directories are going to have to index those, and that's going to be a huge issue. So I heard James Kridlin this morning saying, we've got to find an answer for AI Slob, because in some cases, these things are getting popular. There's one called the Cat. I think it's catcast, and it's a very obvious AI person talking about how cats are. Are fun, and cats are this, and cats are. I'm like, okay. But they said if enough of these get popular, you know, it's only going to breed more people doing it, and then we're going to have, you know, hey, here's another company that's doing 5,000 episodes a week.

Jim Collison [00:13:47]:
Yeah, but the market will. The market will figure that out, right? I mean, we're in the early days of this, and so anytime these new, you know, these new technologies come along and, you know, we worry about it, and the market has a way of writing itself. And I don't listen. I was listening to one the other day, and I realized, you know, halfway into it, I'm like, oh, this was a YouTube video. You can tell in a YouTube video with all this, it's 100% B roll. And then listen to the voice and you're like, oh, this was 100% created by AI. But I got about 10 minutes into it, and the content wasn't bad, Dave. I mean, like, just because it was created by AI, you call it AI Slop.

Jim Collison [00:14:30]:
And that's fair, right? But it doesn't mean it's bad, and it could actually get better. And, you know, let the market be the judge of what's good and what's not good, because I think there's going to be some really good creative stuff that comes from these. And I think we're going to. The ship will find its way on this thing, and we'll get some good stuff. We're just in that early phase, that early adopter phase of AI, especially in this area of it in. Okay, it's going to be. It will make discoverability an interesting issue as we get. Like you said, if you can create many more of them faster.

Jim Collison [00:15:07]:
But I think the market will figure this out, right? I think it'll. Folks, eventually, you know, you're paying for all of this. I mean, it's, it's. Or eventually we'll have to pay for all of it. So I tend to be a little more positive on it just to say, yes, that's the way it is today. I don't think it's going to be that way for the future. But if it's good content, does it matter if you made it or if AI made it?

Dave Jackson [00:15:33]:
Yeah. Well, I still think it might contribute to the race to the bottom with CPM ads, because somebody might say, well, I'm not taking $2 cpm. But the AI slop guys will be like, oh, we'll take that all day long. Tanner says in terms of adding video, he says it hurt mine, but that could have been the way I went about it. I started doing live episodes. I catered more to my new video audience, who made up a small fraction of my audience and lost the audio folks. Yeah. Oh, man.

Dave Jackson [00:16:06]:
Oh, the Creators Lab. J. Is it Jay France? It's Jay something.

Jim Collison [00:16:13]:
Franzi is one of our listeners.

Dave Jackson [00:16:15]:
But yeah, man, Creators Lab. I can see his face. I cannot think of his name, but he said, I'm doubling down on audio. He said, I started a video, a YouTube channel for the podcast, really focused on YouTube. And he said he thought it hurt the content because he was doing things like, you'll see, he was doing more video stuff. And I'm like, there's nothing wrong with that. Just leave it on the video. I don't want to listen to your podcast where you'll say, oh, you'll see here in the upper right hand corner that this is doing like, no, no, that's.

Dave Jackson [00:16:48]:
Now you've. You've done something that's not going to work in audio. But I mean, this is a talking head show for the most part. So this works in both ways. That's going to drive me nuts that I can't remember his name. So it's one of those things where it is. I always say the way it's more work because this show isn't more work. Yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:17:08]:
Dad Space says the cat show has hit the charts. Yeah, that's what James was talking about.

Jim Collison [00:17:15]:
That's good.

Dave Jackson [00:17:16]:
Yeah. The More work is you've got to learn how to do a good thumbnail, which, if you got 50 bucks, AI will do that for you. And you got to learn the algorithm, and you can use things like video IQ and all this other stuff that, in theory, will help you find videos that can go a little more viral than usual. Yeah. Chris says, are average podcast listeners complaining about AI Slopcast, or is it just creators? All I know he didn't. And the problem is they probably don't know. I can only. So this is a survey of one I have.

Dave Jackson [00:17:54]:
My best friend has started getting into. He's like, you know, you talk about these podcast things all the time. I really wanted to start listening to them. And he said, I found one. He goes, it's really good. And he goes. And then when I went looking, he was like, the next nine. He goes, I kind of gave up because they were just horrible.

Dave Jackson [00:18:13]:
They're just two friends talking about stuff that I don't know what they're talking about. He goes, they don't get to the point. And he goes, and then the audio, he said, the one. I swear they were recording it in their car while they were driving. And I go, they probably were. I go, which is horrible. But that's, you know. So that's one person saying, well, I found one good one.

Dave Jackson [00:18:33]:
And that's, I think, why creators get worried, because we want them to find another good show and another good show and another good show instead of like, well, I tried for 15 minutes. I couldn't find a good one. So I think that's why podcasters get worried about that is it's, you know, one bad apple can spoil the whole. You know, how's that going? One bad apple spoils the whole.

Jim Collison [00:18:59]:
Whole barrel.

Dave Jackson [00:19:00]:
Whole barrel. Thank you. I was. Wow, that's. Here's. Here's. Here's things you don't hear people say a lot. It made me do a tangent.

Dave Jackson [00:19:09]:
The Osmonds. God, how old is that? Had a song. Had a song about one bad apple. The whole. Whole bunch of girls. There we go. Because it was the Osmonds. But that melody came in my head, and I'm like, where is my brain's.

Dave Jackson [00:19:24]:
Like, here's something we haven't thought about in 45 years. Stephanie's dying. Jay Claus. Thank you. Tell him what he's won.

Jim Collison [00:19:33]:
Rich Graham.

Dave Jackson [00:19:34]:
It's a cheese straightener. Yeah. So Jay said that he was gonna kind of focus a bit more on the audio because again, my thing that I always look at, again, if you want to do video. Do video. But completion rate is much higher on audio, at least in my travels, than it is. Stephanie wants to know, Jim, what does your shirt say?

Jim Collison [00:19:55]:
So let's check up the tower. This is power up the tower.

Dave Jackson [00:19:59]:
Oh, this is you being crazy. Were you?

Jim Collison [00:20:01]:
This is where I climb. Yeah. Actually, in a couple weeks, I'll be out doing this again. First Saturday in February, I think I'll be out. But this year, only one Dave. So this race has a vertical mile. So 11 times. So 40 flights up, do that 11 times.

Jim Collison [00:20:16]:
Right. Do the math on that one. It's a long. It's a long way. Last year, I did it sick, and that was not advisable. And I was. This is where, you know, don't podcast sick friends, don't do tower shower, you know, don't run upstairs sick. And I was out for a couple weeks after that because it just knocked me out.

Jim Collison [00:20:33]:
But, yeah, this is the last year they're doing it. Speaking of, you know, when you think about things that don't last forever, this is their 20th year of doing this. But these sporting events, you know, running and some of those kinds of things were really. Were damaged during the COVID era. And, you know, of course, participation went way down, and they've never. They haven't been able to pull it back. It will come back. This kind of stuff will come back.

Jim Collison [00:20:56]:
It always does. It's always cyclical, right? It'll always come back. But, yeah, I've seen a lot of races, a lot of running races shut down this truck of the tower this year. They said, yeah, this will be the last year we're going to do it in this form. It may come back. We're building another tower here in Omaha, so maybe we'll see it again. But. But yeah, it's.

Jim Collison [00:21:12]:
It's that things don't last forever. This is why I think, Dave, it's important when your podcast is. When you're doing your podcast and it's going well, and you define how. Going well, you define what that means, whether it's getting the number of downloads that you want or getting the audience gauge minutes you want or whatever, lean into it and do it until that stops. I think sometimes we get too afraid of our own success and we're like, oh, I could burn out. How great would it be to burn out doing something you love to do, you know? Yeah, like burning out. When you. It's in a job you hate, that's one thing.

Jim Collison [00:21:51]:
But imagine you're doing something you love to do and you burn out doing it. I can't imagine too many things that would be better than that. And so as you're getting in, as you're thinking about these cycles of it, I think sometimes we just get too worried about like, oh, but is it sustainable? Okay, will I burn out on it? Well, if you're loving it, lean into the thing until you not. And then when you're not, get out. Right. And I think it's a pretty easy. It's. It's maybe harder said or easier said than done, but, man, if you're loving this thing, get in there now.

Jim Collison [00:22:26]:
Okay, Be. Some of you have families. You can't. You got to take care of your current obligations. Friends. That's not what I'm saying. But. But certainly if it's.

Jim Collison [00:22:36]:
If it's working. Well, keep doing it. Yeah, keep doing.

Dave Jackson [00:22:40]:
If you're having fun. That's my next week's or. Well, yeah. Monday's episode of the School of Podcasting is going to talk about how I have found. And it's weird. They all came up in the same week. Celebrities talking about how long it took for them to act like Seinfeld. It was like season four when they finally took off and they really.

Dave Jackson [00:23:02]:
And Jerry said, I was really surprised we were still on the air because their numbers were like crap. Yeah. John says, I was thinking about the Osmonds too. Well, there you go. Old men unite. Exactly. What was the. Oh, here.

Dave Jackson [00:23:18]:
Ralph has. There used to be a group called Podcasters Therapy. It was Nick Suberling and the guy from Ivy Envy, and we would all just get together and commiserate. But he said, can anyone recommend a support group of those who keep wanting to add a new show? I feel like I need a 12 step plan. I'm trying to say. I am trying to say no, but I keep feeling the pull. Just about the time I think I'm out, they pull me back in. Yeah, yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:23:48]:
It's one of those things. I have a show that I've been thinking about and I keep putting it. That's my test. I'm like, if it's something I really want to do, it'll keep coming. It's like a boomerang. And then it's just a matter of like, okay. Chris says, hey, if there's going to be more AI slop, it just means we need to be better storytellers. That is a good point.

Dave Jackson [00:24:08]:
I think. Tanner says, I think the biggest threat to human creators is AI Customer content. Listeners can ask AI to create shows on demand, tailored to their interests. And preferences. That's a thing. Now it's poor. Like Jim said, it's as bad as it's gonna get. But you can say, give me a, you know, give me an eight minute podcast on the pig market from, you know, let's let George read it today.

Dave Jackson [00:24:33]:
And here it is. And I was like, oh, that's not good. And then here's somebody who loves Spreaker says, I started podcasting like 15 years ago, began on Spreaker, tried others after a few years, but always went back to Spreaker. I never found anything that came close to my enjoyment of Spreaker. Yeah, as long as you don't need a website. And if you need website, I know a place that can give you a website for your show. We have a lot of people from Spreaker and this is why. The world's greatest chatterer.

Dave Jackson [00:25:05]:
I love this from Craig from Anglia's podcast. Don't you think AI podcasts will inevitably take a large chunk of the pie. They're quicker and cheaper to produce and getting better all the time. There's one thing, and this is me tying two things together that maybe aren't. MTV's gone off the air for the most part and they voted for cheaper, easier to make content. In fact, in the end they just. There was a show called Ridiculousness, which was pretty much some guy showing YouTube videos. So they kind of turned MTV into, into YouTube, trying to compete with YouTube.

Dave Jackson [00:25:42]:
But I've seen a couple quotes from old VJs like, not Adam Curry, but one of the other guys. And he said, you know, he goes, Once YouTube came along, he said, we just went, wait a minute. And now they don't have to. It's like radio, you know, it's like, I don't have to sit, wait for my song, right?

Jim Collison [00:26:04]:
Who's going to sit? It's an old format that just doesn't, no one's going to tolerate it anymore. I mean, who, who goes in says, oh, it's, you know, 8:00 time to go watch magazine on TV, right? I mean, we don't do that anymore. And some people do, but most don't, right? We've, we've gotten into either some we're watching the episode on Netflix or on YouTube or we're DVRing it or we're, I mean, that still happens. We're watching clips of it in that way. It's, it's just, it's. That's changing I think too. We're in the midst of a change on the way we create content and content providers. You better pay attention.

Jim Collison [00:26:46]:
Like, things are changing. This is one of those, you know, AI has been one of those fundamental changing technologies. Everything's going to be different in five or six or seven or ten years from now than it is today. The way you made. We're gonna. We're gonna look at audio episodes of podcasts, the way we look at MTV and say, yeah, it was good, but that nobody's consuming content like that anymore. Nobody's, you know, nobody's down. David.

Jim Collison [00:27:20]:
It'll go away. Like RSS at some point, if it doesn't change, will be left behind.

Dave Jackson [00:27:25]:
You think?

Jim Collison [00:27:26]:
I do.

Dave Jackson [00:27:27]:
I see. I think it's going to be because they're still like, what's the Mike? Dell is one. I want to say shortwave, but that's not it. Ham radio. Ham operators. Right. There's still people that. Doing ham radio.

Jim Collison [00:27:43]:
Okay, yeah, but like five people on the planet, ham radio. Except that now I'm going to hear from all 50,000.

Dave Jackson [00:27:50]:
Right?

Jim Collison [00:27:51]:
People. Hey, I'm right.

Dave Jackson [00:27:52]:
G27M6. Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:27:56]:
Put your comments in chat, or I mean, put it down below in. In YouTube. But, yeah, no, I'm not saying it's gonna. It will. It will cease to be. And maybe that's too dramatic of a statement where, you know, mtv, I went off the air, it's gone. Will RSS always be available? Sure. But I think we're already seeing the diminishing effect of it.

Jim Collison [00:28:17]:
As far as total media use, for sure.

Dave Jackson [00:28:19]:
I think what's going to happen. And this is the thing that's always in the back of my head, and I never want to say out loud, but I think what's going to happen is it's going to get worse. Like, I think AI Slop is going to do things. I think the people that are like, I got into this for the money, and I'm on 10 episodes. When can I make a living from this? I think it's gonna get kind of worse for a bit, and then people will abandon it because. And then you're gonna end up kind of like ham radio. I think you're gonna end up with purists that are like, you know what? Because media hosts are gonna add all this AI crap to their repertoire of tools, which, you know, hello. Has anybody noticed that every company that added AI raised their price now? So there's going to be somebody that goes, look, we don't need all that stuff.

Dave Jackson [00:29:07]:
I just need a media host. And they'll use that and it'll go back to 2010, where a media host is just a media host, and you'll have your RSS feed and you'll have this super rabid audience that'll be consuming your stuff via RSS feed and everything else will be. And it's like. So I know Adam Curry said, you don't think so? I think he's just gonna go away.

Jim Collison [00:29:30]:
Well, there. No, no, no, no. It always like. Like ham radio. My ham radio friends are checking in, in the chat right now with their call signs, and I'm gonna come murder.

Dave Jackson [00:29:38]:
You for saying that.

Jim Collison [00:29:41]:
But it. It's still there. I mean, these technologies are still there. I mean, we still text. Right. But it's not a thing anymore. Like, people. People.

Jim Collison [00:29:50]:
It's. It becomes a utility.

Dave Jackson [00:29:51]:
Right? Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:29:52]:
And I think RSS will be there as utility, but will it be what it is today? I don't. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think it's going to diminish. I think we've seen the heyday of rss, and I saw Paul Colgan did.

Dave Jackson [00:30:06]:
A really great rage bait thing on LinkedIn, and he was kind of like, well, what happens as far as this goes away? And I go, what? I was like. The whole. Like, it's like, find me wherever you find your podcast. That wherever is thanks to rss. That's your syndication. I'm like, and people forget, man, before the Internet, if you wanted something on a company's shelf, like, hey, I want to get in front of your customers. Can I please have this shelf space? It was like, no. And now it's like, hey.

Dave Jackson [00:30:38]:
And I always kind of think about that. People, like, how do I grow my audience? Like, well, what's stopping you from growing your audience? Can you not get in front of your audience? Well, no, I've got rss. I've got a website. Okay, well, what's the problem then? Because it used to be I can't get in front of my audience. Well, now you can. But people want an algorithm to put. Which I understand. Why wouldn't you? They want an algorithm to get it in front of all of their potential audience, and I get that.

Dave Jackson [00:31:07]:
And going back just for a second, about the CAT podcast being on the charts, Ken Blanchard brings up a good point. Yeah, but is the chart real people? Like, you know, That's a good question. Dan Lefebvre from Based on a True Story Podcast. Are authors concerned about AI slot books? It seems they'd be the first medium affected. Well, there are. That's a thing. In fact, you can now, if you wanted to, you could take your transcripts, which are generated by AI and probably put them all together and throw it into AI and go, yeah, take this, 10,000 words, and can you put this into a book for me and get you probably pretty close again. You always want to have a human do that.

Dave Jackson [00:31:53]:
But it'll be interesting to see John as a hot take. Forget AI. Commercials will ruin podcasts. If podcasts are to survive, they need to move away from commercial. I don't think they need to move away. And this will never happen because again, AI Slop will take that $2 CPM. We need to go. Yeah, we're not going to take that.

Dave Jackson [00:32:16]:
Actually, we don't need $5. We need $7 CPM, because here's a report. And another one, and another one and another one. And oh, if you didn't see those, another one and another one and another one that says that we have the best relationship with our audience. Consequently, they're going to do what we say or at least listen to us. So you need to pay more for that. So that's something that I just go, I don't see that happening. I just.

Dave Jackson [00:32:44]:
Because there's always going to be. That guy goes, Wait, 87 cents. I'll take that. You know, And I'm like, ah. So. But I think it's weird because really what I want to want to call for is price fixing, which I believe is illegal. Right. Just to go, hey, you can regulate it.

Dave Jackson [00:33:02]:
Can we get. Yeah, can we get all the. All the top 20 podcasts and go, hey, nobody's taken under, you know, $25 CPM. And. Because then they'll come up with, you know, the dog cast, and they'll take $1.50. So, yeah, Ralph says the bubble for those looking for cash and celebrity are going to finally realize it doesn't exist. And then all the hustlers and BS coaches will finally move on to another group to poach. Well, maybe.

Dave Jackson [00:33:31]:
Yeah, I think that's. I mean, that's been around since 2005 of people, like, for three easy payments, you know, I can make you a star. And I'm like, you know, Mark Lally from Practical Prepping, which, you know, of course, if you're doing a show about practical prepping, you're a ham operator. He says ham was the original social media, and it kind of was for a while. It was CB radios.

Jim Collison [00:33:56]:
Oh, ham before cb, I think ham.

Dave Jackson [00:33:57]:
Yeah, absolutely. I think ham radius. There's a picture, I think, in a caveman cave of A ham guy on his radio and a big antenna, that whole nine yards.

Jim Collison [00:34:06]:
Listen, I did CB radio after its heyday. So it's heyday was the late 70s, right. And then in the 80s, I did, I did CB and we used to do a lot of the same kind of things you do in a chat room.

Dave Jackson [00:34:17]:
Right.

Jim Collison [00:34:18]:
So. And then we actually did these games where we. Somebody would drive out somewhere and wouldn't tell anybody, and they queue up their. Their CB device and then this is super nerdy. Then based on their. The, the strength of their signal, you had to drive around and find them. Yeah, and we would do that with CBs and that's. We would meet together as a group.

Jim Collison [00:34:39]:
And I was like, oh, this is what you look like in real life. And it was kind of some of the same discussions we have now when we meet at conferences. Like, we know each other as podcasters, but we haven't met in real life.

Dave Jackson [00:34:51]:
Right.

Jim Collison [00:34:51]:
Same thing on the CB radio. And I'm sure it's the same at ham conferences. Right? It's that same kind of thing. No, certainly they haven't gone away. And CB radios are still out there. Folks are still doing stuff. I just, I think we've just seen the best days like, like cable television in the 90s. I think we've seen the best of RSS.

Jim Collison [00:35:09]:
We're in the heyday of it right now. It's super hard to see its diminishment when you're in the heyday of it. I know that. I know, friends. I know you're like, no, this will never go anywhere. This too shall pass, my friends. Now, it doesn't mean it's going to go away. Just means it won't be what it is today.

Dave Jackson [00:35:25]:
I just know I'm already tired of. And in fact, I canceled most of them of like, oh, I want to watch this program. Oh, it's on Hulu. Oh, I want to watch. It's on Netflix. Oh, it's on hbo. Oh, that one's on Peacock. The beauty of RSS is all my favorite shows are in one app, and all I need to do is, you know, search, copy, paste, whatever.

Dave Jackson [00:35:49]:
You know, Randy, today, Randy says RSS isn't going anywhere as long as Apple Podcaster relies on it. And the thing.

Jim Collison [00:35:57]:
Yeah, again, we're in the heyday of it, friends. We're in the heyday of rss.

Dave Jackson [00:36:02]:
All right.

Jim Collison [00:36:02]:
It's hard.

Dave Jackson [00:36:05]:
I wish on the no Agenda show, they have a red book and they write down predictions. I'm like, we need to write this down. So in a couple years, we're like, hey, we're still using rss, but, yeah.

Jim Collison [00:36:16]:
This week for saying this, someone's gonna track me down.

Dave Jackson [00:36:19]:
You have a good point. You said. So said cable TV in the 90s, but what did they do? They kept. Well, number one, they. The whole thing was, we have more channels. They thought that's what people wanted. Not really. And it's funny because to the best of my knowledge, nobody has ever come up with an a la carte.

Dave Jackson [00:36:41]:
Like, you get, you know, for X amount of Money, you get 15 channels, and then you pick. It was always like, here, it's X amount of money for 20 channels, X amount of money for 40 channels. Or you can get our complete package for 80 bucks a month. And you watch. And it never failed. I want these two shows on plan A. Oh, but I have these other two shows that I need to. Oh, and there's that one show that I guess I got to get the whole thing.

Dave Jackson [00:37:07]:
And so you're paying for a bunch of channels you don't want. And that's. I think that's what killed cable. And then, of course, the Internet.

Jim Collison [00:37:14]:
And the Internet killed cable is what happened.

Dave Jackson [00:37:17]:
Right?

Jim Collison [00:37:18]:
You could now deliver great content. Listen, we'll go anywhere when we wanted to watch, I don't know, put a series. What's maybe the latest Netflix series that's been real super popular. There's this new one. It doesn't matter. We go find it now. Like, we'll. We're like, well, okay, I guess I'm going to pay Netflix for a couple months while I watch this series or Apple tv.

Jim Collison [00:37:39]:
An Apple TV series comes out. I mean, I've subscribed to and unsubscribed to Apple TV half a dozen times just to watch me, you know, just to watch a series. So I don't. I don't think, like, we. The method doesn't matter, friends. How it gets to you doesn't matter. What matters is you do whatever it takes to watch it or to listen to it, right? And so today that content's on rss. That content's available in podcast player.

Jim Collison [00:38:09]:
But we know with video, we'll do whatever it takes to get to the location it is so we don't get left out at work or whatever when people are like, hey, did you see the latest episode of Reacher? Well, and you're like, oh, I don't have Netflix. And then the next. The next night, you're logging into Netflix so you can watch Reacher. Whatever. Just making that up. Right. But.

Dave Jackson [00:38:29]:
Well, I know. And before anybody corrects us, yes, we know. Reachers on Amazon, not Netflix. Send your letters to Jim. But it's funny you say that. I am right now. Last night I was binging Stranger Things, which, for the record, I still say they had one really good season and they just did the same thing. Every season is like, there's a big monster.

Dave Jackson [00:38:57]:
It's gonna kill us all. I wonder if they're gonna win, which is very much a superhero without capes kind of show. But I'm doing that so I can ditch my $17 a month Netflix. Not because I can't afford it, because I hate wasting money. And I'm like, I'm not gonna pay $18 to watch one right now. I'm on Hulu and Netflix. I'm getting rid of Netflix, and I'm just about done with Hulu. And I'll go back to hbo and then I'll go to wherever.

Dave Jackson [00:39:29]:
Because I usually find that if now, like you said, and this is one of the things I think that might have kind of gone away. A, working together, and B, when you work together, do you still have that 8:05 moment where we're all gathered around the coffee machine going, so, what'd you guys do last night? And you're like, oh, man, I was watching, you know, Reacher, which is that. That guy's huge. He's a giant dude. Yeah. So I don't know that there's that much. The only time you ever get that and I still don't watch these live is sporting events. You know, maybe the super bowl, but I've learned a long time ago, quit watching football live because a, nobody's, you know, if I can tell people, don't tell me the score yet.

Dave Jackson [00:40:13]:
And I can watch a football game in like 45 minutes versus three hours or whatever. And I don't have to listen.

Jim Collison [00:40:18]:
I take the summaries and make them go faster now. So, like, Oregon in Indiana played last night for the semifinals for our national championship, which, by the way, is becoming like the NBA. This thing is lasting a thousand years. The season's already started again, and they're still in the playoffs. And you're like, how does that work? Right? It goes so long. But I was watching that in the or. I wasn't watching it. I was kind of keeping track of it on the side.

Jim Collison [00:40:43]:
And then as soon as the sporting event was over, you wait 20 minutes and it shows up on YouTube as a short. It's like a 20 minute best of. And then I am still clicking through that to take 20 minutes and make it 10. Like, I can get through those in 10 minutes so I can see the highlights. Everything I needed to know. Boom, done. I think that quick culture. This is like.

Jim Collison [00:41:07]:
This is why the TikTok stuff is working so well and why people like it, because they're getting just the meat. They're getting exactly what they want. They've got some control over it. It's shortened, and they can move on to the next thing.

Dave Jackson [00:41:19]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:41:20]:
And I, you know, to go back.

Dave Jackson [00:41:22]:
To John's point, the one complaint I hear about TikTok now, they added the TikTok store and everybody's selling something.

Jim Collison [00:41:31]:
Oh, yeah. And they're like, well, somehow, Dave.

Dave Jackson [00:41:33]:
Exactly. We've got some great comments again from. Because we're talking about growing your audience. Like, what's stopping you? Ralph says you can't grow your audience because you don't have enough money to go out there and advertise to buy it. I'm sorry, but I truly do not believe there's really organic growth in podcasting. To which I say, that's a hot take. I will disagree with that all day long, because every day between my brother and my best friend, we are saying some sort of. Like, I watch this, I listen to this kind of thing.

Dave Jackson [00:42:11]:
Pay attention to yourself. What you hear. You will hear people talking about things they did or saw or ate or whatever. Word of mouth is not. That's not going away. Jeff says. Jeff C. If you can't get in front of your audience, you don't have an audience.

Dave Jackson [00:42:26]:
Your content probably isn't good enough. People want shortcuts most of the time. That's one of my points in Monday's school of podcasting. It used to take me eight minutes to make SpaghettiOs when I was 8 years old, and now it's 30 seconds. It's a grind, and most people don't want to do it. You know what, Jeff?

Jim Collison [00:42:45]:
They're really hot, though. 30 seconds. They are like lava. If you pull them out of the microwave right.

Dave Jackson [00:42:51]:
Then you burn the back of the top of your mouth. Yeah. Because you were dying for SpaghettiOs. Now, Todd the gator says, I love talk shows that talk for 10 minutes, then break off for another three minutes of ads, come back to speak for another 10, and then another three minutes of commercials. I think I said this on the show. I tracked the Hallmar channel, and they were 32% commercials at one point. I watched seven minutes of movie, and they went to four minutes of commercials. And I went, yeah, that's when I busted out my watch and I'm like, hold on, I got to time this.

Dave Jackson [00:43:24]:
Yeah, so it's going back. Jeff says, I agree to a point that paid promotions to help. And that's where I kind of go. We are a lot like the movie industry. We should, right? We, we create content, we edit it. We should, but we don't have people consume it so we can make sure it's working. And then you pay a bunch of promotion to get people to watch it so they can do what, tell their friends about it. And that's how it works.

Dave Jackson [00:43:52]:
So, yeah, it's every once in a.

Jim Collison [00:43:55]:
While, like, it is like the lottery in some regards. Every once in a while you have a runaway hit. Cereal was this way. Like, yeah, cereal did not that put any money. I shouldn't say that. That way. They put very little money into advertising, especially in the beginning. They just were doing their craft, doing it the way that they do those kinds of things over there.

Jim Collison [00:44:13]:
And then they were just. Somebody was passionate for this thing and it just caught on. Right then there was a long tail effect, right? There was a whole bunch of true crime stuff that came in behind it that took advantage of it and profited just from the long tail of it. But sometimes you can't engineer that. Listen, even good products that have good advertising in front of them, right? I shouldn't say sometimes. A lot of the times they fail too. Friends, this is, this is why there's no formula for it. You just got to kind of work all the angles that you have and if it hits, man, you're awesome.

Jim Collison [00:44:50]:
Listen, when Microsoft was coming out way back in the 80s and 90s, when they were doing their stuff, there was no guarantee they were going to be the company they were going to be. They just worked like crazy and maybe stole a few things and, and put out. Put out some stuff and then worked super hard, right, to make it. To make it happen. So I think, we think there's a formula sometimes. Like, yeah, if you just do this, you do that, you do this, it will. And it's like, well, it might, it might not. You, if it doesn't, you pivot, you do something different, you try something different, you go down a different path.

Jim Collison [00:45:23]:
Unless you're doing it for passion, a passion project or a hobby, you like doing it, and the payoff is that then you just keep doing it. Right? Regard. Regard. Home gadget geek says, a total passion project. I just do it because I like to talk to other tech people. It's the same thing. Here, Dave. I don't make a dime off ask the podcast coach.

Jim Collison [00:45:42]:
I show up almost every Saturday. 50, 48 out of 52 Saturdays. I am here because I love being here. I love hanging out with you guys. Right? If you're doing it for that, keep doing.

Dave Jackson [00:45:54]:
That's going to be my point. Really? It's tricky. Yeah. Ralph was like, sometimes people hit the lottery as well. Word of mouth does work, but it only take you so far. Well, here's the thing. You brought up cereal. I remember cereal because I was still teaching in the corporate world.

Dave Jackson [00:46:12]:
It was a long time ago. And within a week, I had five people tell me, hey, you're a podcast guy, right? Yeah. Have you heard about this thing called cereal? Five people. That was unheard of at the time, because back then we were still kind of in the what's a podcast kind of thing. Like, what do you mean? What is it? Like, radio. And I had five people say, you gotta listen to this thing. And so. But here's the thing, like, with audio, right, you go up to zero, and if you go just a little bit over that zero, your audio is gonna distort.

Dave Jackson [00:46:49]:
To me, good content is like that green arrow. Remarkable content is. It just needs to be a little more than good to get people talking about it. And that's where I think we all make good content. We might even make great content. But I think there's a difference between good content, great content, and remarkable content, where people are like, oh, I gotta tell somebody about this. That's the way. Why, you know, so.

Dave Jackson [00:47:17]:
And. And today, right, Jim is saying, like, hey, RSS is probably going to go away in the future. That might have people go, did you hear what he said?

Jim Collison [00:47:28]:
Diminish in the future.

Dave Jackson [00:47:29]:
Diminish.

Jim Collison [00:47:31]:
Diminish. Don't come to my house. I'm not interested in arguing about it.

Dave Jackson [00:47:38]:
Stephanie says, I don't know about that. Ralph. My hairstylist is very successful, and it's all word of mouth. Clients, science. There you go.

Jim Collison [00:47:46]:
Listen, we. We tend to want to go a hundred percent one way or the other, and it's just not that it's a combination of all of this, right?

Dave Jackson [00:47:54]:
Bingo.

Jim Collison [00:47:55]:
Cereal was gigantic because of word of mouth. But that's one podcast in a sea of a million. Like, there's been very few. Rogan was the same way, although he had a marketing machine behind him. He's probably the. Actually, he's probably the other end of the pendulum, right, where he. It was a hundred percent marketing for Rogan, and he had a lot of he had a lot of word of mouth as well going on there. So, like, I think we need to get out of the world of absolutes where we say, no, it's this or it's never.

Jim Collison [00:48:23]:
I mean, back to my RSS comment, which you probably caught me on, it's not going to go away, right? I'm not saying like it's going to disappear. No, it'll always be there, but it won't be as important as it is. I think the same thing on these advertising methods. Like you've got to figure out what works for you and what you're trying to do with your podcast. And so if that's paying for ads and if that's work, if that works for you, if you can find the right audience and pay and they'll come pay for ads, if ads not the way to go, get your audience engaged so they're telling other people.

Dave Jackson [00:48:57]:
Right?

Jim Collison [00:48:58]:
You've got to figure out. This is the hard part. Right. You've got to figure out what works for you. And then sometimes, and I think cereal is, in this case, you get lucky.

Dave Jackson [00:49:09]:
There is that. There's timing. Timing and luck definitely can come into play. Dan from Based on a True Story Podcast. There is no one size fit all answer for whether or not you do paid promotion or word of mouth works. As Dave likes to say, it depends. Yeah. And then Ralph's like, yeah, you know, hairdressers are not the content.

Dave Jackson [00:49:32]:
Like you need a haircut, you don't need a podcast. And I was like, that's an interesting point.

Jim Collison [00:49:38]:
But they do rely. They're also local. You can't go listen to a hairdresser on an RSS feed and get your haircut. Like you gotta go in and it's a service, right?

Dave Jackson [00:49:47]:
Yeah.

Jim Collison [00:49:47]:
In a local context like that, word of mouth could be very powerful because how else are you going to hear about it? I mean, it's just not going to happen any other way. So again, that's where start engaging your brain, thinking about this for a second and then saying like, hey, what's the, what's right for me? How does this work? Well, for me.

Dave Jackson [00:50:07]:
Yeah, that's it. Oh, doggone. And I'm not logged in. I need, I need my fun filled affiliate link because Stephanie's asking about a piece of gear and it's called the Hollyland Mark 2. It's got a bunch of. But it's a, it's a lav mic. Let me see if I can pull this up.

Jim Collison [00:50:27]:
Really? Mark 2, what's it?

Dave Jackson [00:50:28]:
A missile yeah, exactly. I'm sorry. The Hollyland Lark M2. And so she was asking. But the thing I like about this particular unit is the fact there's actually some bass to it. Now, if you listen to my last podcast, you hear me use it because it comes in this cute little package. I don't know what's going on with the delay. Come on.

Dave Jackson [00:50:54]:
There we go, kids. But it comes in this cute little thing. And what I like about it is they're really tiny. Like, it's tiny. And you can just clip it on if you want a thing where it doesn't do the thing because it's got this clip, right? So you just clip it to something. So if you wanted it here, that would be kind of weird. And then it comes with a gizmo, so you can just plug it into your phone. So you want to make sure you get the right one for your phone if you're doing Android or whatever.

Dave Jackson [00:51:23]:
And then I love this thing, which is. It's the receiver. So if you want to put this. If you're using like a DSLR camera, you can run the audio out of this and then. But also send it to your phone if you want to. It's pretty cool that it does dual things. So I'm taking this to Podcast Movement. I also.

Dave Jackson [00:51:42]:
I'm trying to figure out if I'm going to use that or the Rode Micro Units. And again, these are really tiny. These have the little magnets. So if I just want to pin it down here, because the one thing I have found is when you. You'll see I just saw someone yesterday. When you pin this here, it is a little bassier, and it's small, so it's inconspicuous when you're doing that, because the mic is actually the small part, right? You basically put this out here like so, but it's not the S's and the T's kind of get lost because that's out here and it's picking it out from under your chin. And so I was amazed that I took mine off and just did this. And that's who you'll see people now doing videos on YouTube and they're holding the mic like this and it does your S's and T's.

Dave Jackson [00:52:34]:
Now, no matter what you use, whether it's a lav mic or a shotgun mic, welcome to the world of post production. Because it's not going to be as clear as a dynamic mic, three fingers from your mouth. That's just the way it is. And I always. I am of the. The mindset of, like, I'm a podcaster, I should have a microphone in the picture. But I, for some reason, like, no, what's really holding back my growth is, is this black cylinder thing in front of me. If I could just get.

Dave Jackson [00:53:05]:
If I just put this down here, I would get many more clicks. I'm like, man, I'm not sure I'm sold on that. Yeah, same thing.

Jim Collison [00:53:13]:
I think we're getting to that world of the Star Trek communicator. You know, the bad little badge where they, you know, and in the early seasons, they used to have to touch it and then they didn't. Then it just worked automatically. They must have added AI at that point. So it just worked. But I think we're getting to that point maybe where we wear that. I see so many YouTubers pinning. Oh, they just fit to their shirt right down here.

Dave Jackson [00:53:37]:
The nice thing about the Micro from Rode and to me, there's not a huge difference. Like, Shure has a really cool one that has. And some of them, like, the Hollyland has a little noise reduction. Shure has, I think, better noise reduction on theirs. But no matter what you're doing, they're not going to sound good as a dynamic mic. But it is fun. Like, if I take this to PodFest, I can just walk up to somebody, you know, pin this on them, hit my record. There's a great app from Zoom called, like, Quick Record or something like that.

Dave Jackson [00:54:13]:
It'll record both sides. So it's an easy way to do quick recording, but it's again, gonna sound. This is the Rode. I just remember it's micro is something in the name. Let me. And it's cheaper. But the, like I said, the one that surprised me, I remember it was at Podcast Movement, Hollyland was giving them away, and I was like, what? And Daniel J. Lewis got one.

Dave Jackson [00:54:39]:
So we were like kids with a new toy. I'm like, let's fire that bad boy up. So we. We did a quick recording. And I was like, huh? And as soon as we listen to it, I go, that actually has some warmth to it, because usually they're. They're kind of shrill. They're a little bit like a headset mic. They don't really pick up much.

Dave Jackson [00:54:57]:
And this actually had a little bit. Bit of warmth to it. And I was like, so. Because it's. Either way, if it's super warm, then you got to add some S's and T's. You got to add some clarity to it. If it's a headset Mic. Okay, now I got to pull off some of that treble and try to add some bass.

Dave Jackson [00:55:15]:
Yeah. Uncle Marv says the rode wireless micro, and I'm trying to find my link to it. I thought I had.

Jim Collison [00:55:22]:
What if you didn't care, though? Like, what? Not from an audio quality standpoint. Like, what if we lived in a world where no matter how bad the audio was, we could feel. If we could fix it so it would sound perfect.

Dave Jackson [00:55:33]:
Well, we're getting close to that.

Jim Collison [00:55:35]:
That day is today. Yeah, I think we can actually do that today. I wouldn't be cool if we could have a drone, real quiet drone, that would just drop down in the middle of our conversation. Pointed microphones and cameras at us. That would. That would just do those things. Yeah, just imagine a world where none of that quality matters. You just.

Jim Collison [00:55:55]:
All you have to do is get what you said, and then it just recreates it in a perfect. In a perfect environment with no audio behind it. You just don't care. All you got to do is capture the inflection and get enough to capture the words and the inflection and our fixing algorithms, I don't call them AI are fixing algorithms. Make that perfect audio, then you don't care. That could be. You know, that could be one of those things. Again, we wear so many devices, you know, Dave, for you and me, that microphone could be on our glasses.

Dave Jackson [00:56:32]:
Yeah, yeah.

Jim Collison [00:56:34]:
I think Ralph was talking about. I think the. We see a lot of YouTubers put it on their hats, right?

Dave Jackson [00:56:41]:
Ah, that's a good point.

Jim Collison [00:56:42]:
They clip it. Now it looks funny when you put the wind. The wind screen or the fuzzy on there, and you got those big fuzzy things sticking out of the side of your head. But yeah.

Dave Jackson [00:56:56]:
Dan brings up the DJI lav mic. I had a set of those, and I loved it. And I was like, oh, but it's going to be tougher to integrate with my Rodecaster. And in the end, if I could do that one over again, because they do something that the other ones don't, and that is they record locally on the device. So if you have, like, I don't know where my phone is, but I've got to record this now. You can put two clips on hit record, and it'll record both sides of the conversation, and it sounds pretty decent. I remember when I was doing the Akron podcast, and that's all I brought was the wireless micros or the DJI mics, and it was cool. Yes.

Dave Jackson [00:57:37]:
Tying in with the earlier discussion of cats, the little thing you put on A microphone, which I had when just sitting here a minute ago, is of course called the dead cat, and people find that offensive. So Uncle Uncle Marv says, I use Adobe podcast to remove all background noise when I record at conferences, and the voice sounds almost studio quality. One of the things I want to do at Podcast Movement, and I'm kind of really happy I don't have a booth because I can do whatever I want is I want to hang out at the Adobe podcast booth. And because I'm super familiar with their noise canceling thing, but I've never really seen. I mean, when it first came out, I started using just to play with and go, oh, okay. Yeah, it's kind of like audacity in the sky in a way. And I haven't looked at it since then. So I want to see what they're up to because they were on, I think, the buzzcast and it sounds like it was pretty cool.

Dave Jackson [00:58:34]:
So I was like Stephanie says, another piece of equipment I'm considering is the PodTrack P4 next. Would this be better or either? Well, if you're going to get that, the beauty of that is it is super portable. It's small, it's tiny, and it's, I want to say, 130 bucks, and it can go anywhere. And this is the Swiss army knife of podcasting, because what it does is you can record four people in the same room. Right. I've got my inputs right there. I can. Over here, I can plug in a phone.

Dave Jackson [00:59:11]:
So now I've got three people in the same room with me, plus somebody on the phone. Oh, wait a minute, somebody's on zoom. Okay, I've got two people in the room with me, one person on USB via the computer and one guy via the phone. And it runs on batteries. It's got built in headphone amps. The only thing I hate about it is the screen is really tiny. So if you got old eyes like mine, that's it. And I was hoping it was going to be bigger.

Dave Jackson [00:59:38]:
And to me, they made it ever so slightly harder to adjust those things where the. If you have microphones in, it's a piece of cake to adjust the volume. But if it's something like a phone or something where you've plugged in this, you got to go through the menus to adjust the volume. Not the end of the world, but. But the beauty of this is you get this and a couple Samson Q2US and you are good to go. You can do pretty much whatever you want with that. So this is probably the most recommended piece of equipment I have is the old P4 and now the P4 next. There aren't really too many options that the only time this doesn't work if somebody goes, I have six people on a panel, and I'm like, okay, first of all, do you need six people? You know, when you go above four, you're, you're kind of out of luck.

Jim Collison [01:00:35]:
Do some mic sharing, though, if you have six. This is, you know, we don't recommend mic sharing at all. You and I are both have said, like, don't do that. But in that setting, that may be one of those situations where you, if you get a, if you put it on an arm and a swivel, you're not going to have all of them talking at the same time. You could probably do four mics with six people and get away with it. Dave, back in the 90s, I remember, I was in banking at the time, and I remember a cell phone vendor, remember when they used to have vendors, they'd come around, sell these cell phones. Oh, yeah. So we had this.

Jim Collison [01:01:06]:
I was talking to this guy who was doing that, and he was showing literally a phone to me that was the size of this pocket knife that I have here that I'm showing here. There's a little Swiss. See how it's just like, it's, it's my. And you could, you could talk on the, like, you could talk on the phone now. Now, today, those are Bluetooth, you know, ear that we just put in and we do it that way. But that's. This was the form factor in the 90s, right. We brought it up, and a year or two later, we were like, where'd those go? And they're like, yeah, they were unusable in it at the time.

Jim Collison [01:01:38]:
They were unused because they were so small. Like nobody wanted to. Right. It wasn't until the Bluetooth stuff came along and we, you know, we figured out how to do that, that with our audio devices sometimes, you know, you mentioned that screen's a little small. I think we've gotten to the point with some of these things, like, it being the smallest is not necessarily the best. No, right. You know, you're kind of like, you know, make that screen a little bit bigger because there's some things I need to do on it that are super important. And we might have.

Jim Collison [01:02:11]:
I know, I know they make them small because everybody, you know, wants to. To carry them in their pocket. But I kind of think from a usability standpoint, just a little bigger. It's okay. It's okay if it's a little bigger, you know, kind of deal. I don't necessarily know if we've gone to. If it needs to be that small of a device.

Dave Jackson [01:02:32]:
The Tascam Doctor 10X is a cool little device that you can plug into any kind of microphone. So it's literally the size of the palm of your hand. So you plug the mic in, but this is the size of the screen. It's literally. It's thinner than your small finger. And the other thing is it's backlit. That's the other thing. I was really surprised, and I'm sure it's battery drain, things like that come into play.

Dave Jackson [01:03:02]:
But if I'm using this outside, I have to go to my car. What I ended up doing was I just turned it on because was it. It has a little mini SD card in it. I just turned it on and left it on. And then you take your interview mic out and you go around and you do the Bob Barker, and you're good to go. But I just remember, like, I can't read this thing.

Jim Collison [01:03:24]:
Does it have a phone app where you can do it on your phone as opposed to having to do everything on device? Because sometimes that's the solution to this, right? Is that.

Dave Jackson [01:03:33]:
Oh, that would be great. Yeah. It doesn't. It's all you got. You got four little buttons, and you go through the menus, and it's, you know, if you're in a dark room, it's great. But I was like, who can read this? It's crazy.

Jim Collison [01:03:46]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's just sometimes it gets. It gets unusable. I mean, it's great that we can do it, but you're like, well, okay, maybe we've engineered this to the point of inoperability. And now I just can't see what is on there. Again, I appreciate them making it as small as humanly possible, but then you're like, yeah, but I can't use it.

Dave Jackson [01:04:09]:
Right.

Jim Collison [01:04:10]:
I don't have the ability to get to see what I need to see on this thing. Just as you were showing that screen, I was like, oh, yeah. No, I get it. I get that we're trying to make things smaller, but in some cases, that actually makes them worse.

Dave Jackson [01:04:24]:
Rich Graham, thank you. He's let me know that. I keep wanting to say podfest, but I keep saying Podcast Movement, unless it was something I did at Podcast movement, but yeah. And Randy says you can add blue to. To the P4 next for 59 bucks. And then Craig from Anglais podcast says the DJI. You know, these lav mics are a bit on the heavy side. Probably because they've got a little baby hard drive in there to record stuff to.

Dave Jackson [01:04:55]:
He said they have. The DJ now has minis. They're smaller and lighter.

Jim Collison [01:04:59]:
So, yeah, I actually want my audio devices when I'm out doing podcasting live or whatever. I don't want light. I want actually bigger and heavier because I want it to sit on the table and not go flying around if someone moves their microphone. Right. Yeah. And I know somebody, I think Uncle Marv had said, same issue people that. So they complained about. No, it's not what that one was.

Jim Collison [01:05:22]:
I'm talking about the big. Carrying around the big heavy cell phones from the. The bag phones.

Dave Jackson [01:05:28]:
Oh, dude. And again, I was just recommending movies to a friend of mine last night and we were talking about that, you know, some of the new movies you're just kind of like, man. So like this week I watched Big with Tom Hanks.

Jim Collison [01:05:43]:
Oh, yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:05:44]:
And it's funny because a. Because of course, the clothes and the cars and everything. But it's funny when you get one of those movies and they have the brick with an antenna. Cell phone.

Jim Collison [01:05:55]:
And I wish I still had my first flip phone.

Dave Jackson [01:05:59]:
Yeah. Or a flip phone. Yep.

Jim Collison [01:06:01]:
I still.

Dave Jackson [01:06:01]:
I probably downstairs. I know I have. It's a phone with a keyboard on it. Like, it's. It's not a crap. What was that brand that went away? Crackberry. BlackBerry. Oh, BlackBerry.

Dave Jackson [01:06:13]:
It was a BlackBerry style, but it wasn't a BlackBerry phone.

Jim Collison [01:06:17]:
Crackberry. Is that what you call it?

Dave Jackson [01:06:18]:
Crackberry. Crackberry. Yeah. So. But yeah, so techno. And it's funny now because they do have. Is the Grasshopper. There's some phone made for old people with big, giant numbers and a screen.

Dave Jackson [01:06:35]:
You're like, I can. There's. There's hardly any technology on it because, you know, who needs it Kind of thing. So that's always fun to see.

Jim Collison [01:06:42]:
Where should I kept those? I wish I would have kept those old phones just as a. Just as a museum.

Dave Jackson [01:06:47]:
Museum.

Jim Collison [01:06:48]:
Yeah. I didn't.

Dave Jackson [01:06:50]:
Todd the gator says, hey, I did an experiment last week on my live show. I went straight to the main content and then did the hey, what's new with you? Kind of Section at the end of the show. And what do you know? More audiences stuck around. Interesting. It's putting the bread at the back of the grocery store maybe, and you're roping people in.

Jim Collison [01:07:12]:
What a great test. What a great. What a way. Hey, test it. See? See what it works. Get some feedback, see how it goes.

Dave Jackson [01:07:17]:
Yes. The. The jitter bug. How can I forget? Which makes sense.

Jim Collison [01:07:22]:
Just stay up really late tonight watching some SD content on one of those, like, 6.2 channels that you have. You'll see that commercial about 7,000 times.

Dave Jackson [01:07:34]:
Yes.

Jim Collison [01:07:34]:
As well. Catheters.

Dave Jackson [01:07:36]:
Yeah. Stephanie's like, where do you get the Bluetooth adapter? There's a place called Sweetwater if you go to supportthisshow.com sweetwater. I'm sure if I type in Zoom. Just Bluetooth adapter, I'm guessing. Or just Zoom. Bluetooth. Yes. There it is.

Dave Jackson [01:07:55]:
The Zoom BTA 2 Series Bluetooth adapter. So it would be really easy if you want to get somebody on the phone, you could easily do that there. So. But I love Sweetwater because a. They add a year to the warranty, and you can also get some tech support, and then you have a really. Almost annoyingly, like, their customer service is so good. It's almost annoying. Like, they will call you up to make sure.

Dave Jackson [01:08:25]:
Like, first they call you when you order to say thank you, and then they call you after it's arrived to make sure it's okay. So it's.

Jim Collison [01:08:33]:
That's.

Dave Jackson [01:08:33]:
It's weird. Oh, man, this is bad to hear.

Jim Collison [01:08:36]:
I know. This breaks my heart.

Dave Jackson [01:08:38]:
Chris says I moved my main external hard drive and it failed due to electrical issues. Paying a ton of money for recovery. Ouch. Yeah.

Jim Collison [01:08:47]:
Backup friends, back up. Remember, it's not two places. Just because you send it there as a backup, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have the backup backed up as well. I don't know the situation here, so I'm not. It sucks. Listen, I've had. I had a situation where my wife made a graduation video for my oldest son, and she spent hundreds of hours, and I was touting myself as the backup guy. You know, I was doing a podcast in those days, and I lost it.

Jim Collison [01:09:17]:
Like, gone, gone, gone, gone. No backup of the backup. And it had gone on to a server, onto the backup server, and then that backup server failed and it was gone. I. I worked at recovering that thing for. For days. You do not. I mean, it's okay when I lose my data, but when you lose your spouse's data and you're.

Dave Jackson [01:09:39]:
Oh, so how was it? Like sleeping in the truck. Yeah, I still.

Jim Collison [01:09:45]:
I'm still outside in the shed 15 years ago.

Dave Jackson [01:09:50]:
Does she still bring it back? And is that. That's one of those words, like, you're in an argument? Well, I remember when back in 84.

Jim Collison [01:09:58]:
She doesn't. She doesn't. You know, we. We listen, we try not to live in memories. We try to make sure we spend as much time as we can with each other in the moment for some of those kinds of things. But, yeah, I felt. I definitely felt bad. That was probably my worst data loss ever.

Jim Collison [01:10:13]:
She's like, yeah, and it was in the moment. I mean, she just made it. It had been. It was maybe six months old. Oh, hey, you got that? I was trying to find. This is. Your heart sinks. I was trying to find that video that I made for.

Jim Collison [01:10:25]:
For Phil's graduation. Do you know where it's at? It's. Yeah, it's. God, it's gone. So it's. It's pretty. It's pretty sad. Just make sure, you know, you're from a backup perspective again.

Jim Collison [01:10:35]:
This is a good time of the year. Make sure you're backing up your backups. If you're moving stuff to the cloud, make sure you can get it back. You need to go in there and try and randomly pull things out. Egress is real. You know, if you're buying cheap backup in the cloud, oftentimes you don't pay to put it there, you pay to get it back. Yeah, so just make sure you understand your terms there and getting that kind of stuff back. But everything.

Jim Collison [01:10:57]:
You know, realistically, you should have a copy locally that you use for changing and editing and stuff to get fast. You could have a local copy on a backup device in your studio or whatever. That's kind of nice, by the way. If it's being versioned, that's not a backup. You need to get it away from your current work process so that it. If you corrupt the current file, it doesn't corrupt that one as well. So just versioning is not what we're talking about. We're talking about separated and backed up.

Jim Collison [01:11:25]:
And then ideally, you want to get that in the cloud, and that cloud could be it's somebody else's house, too, if you want to back it up that way or some way to get it done, but you want it off site in case some disaster, flood, fire happens in your location. So 1, 2, 3 is what they call that. And maybe this week is a good time to review your backup strategy just to make sure you're backing up what you want to keep.

Dave Jackson [01:11:49]:
Rich says Backblaze has saved my bacon a few times. Yeah, that's what I was doing because I have all the school of podcasting videos in Backblaze because I got a note that said, hey, you're running out of hard drive space. I'm like, oh, welcome to Video Kids. And so I was like, oh. And like you said, I use the one plan for some stuff that it's super cheap to store and it's, you know, it's a little more to download it. But in theory I should never have to download this.

Jim Collison [01:12:19]:
Yeah, B2 is that way. A back place. So they call that B2 cold storage. Sometimes what they call that they, I think back place might call it Glacier Storage. It's so cold. So you get it there, it's glacier cold and they store it. Like getting it there is super cheap in the monthly, depending on what you store. I think I've stored three or four terabytes for 20 or 30 bucks, something like that.

Jim Collison [01:12:41]:
Get it back. Do an egress though. So say you have a complete failure and you try to get four terabytes back. That's going to be a little expensive, friends. You're going to pay a little bill to get all of that back. So just know what you're getting into.

Dave Jackson [01:12:52]:
Yeah, it's.

Jim Collison [01:12:54]:
Oh, no, Craig. Oh no.

Dave Jackson [01:12:57]:
Craig says, I've been there. I deleted all my wife's recipes over 25 years. That is. Yeah. And she's still married and he's still married. That's a wow. But on the other hand, she's probably, once she gets over the intense anger, she's probably like, you know what? I can get him to do anything I want from this point forward.

Jim Collison [01:13:21]:
I own you. I own you. Yes. So yeah, that's. God, that's a horrible feeling that.

Dave Jackson [01:13:28]:
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Dave Jackson [01:16:55]:
He did a speaking of LAV mics, there's a new shure microphone that you plug into your phone and it's not a clip on lav, it's actually a microphone. So you could basically point it at you as you're doing a selfie. And they came out now with a USB C version, so. And Chris did a cool write up of that. And that's not the right slide. That one is. So if you're listening to the show and you're like, hey, did this show? Why is this not. See, I'm on a new Mac.

Dave Jackson [01:17:27]:
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So that's always fun.

Jim Collison [01:18:05]:
Dave, you know what I've noticed this week? So you changed your setup, right? You were using Mac and PC last week. We talked about synergy, right? To use if you want to go between PCs, you got a new monitor for folks who's joining us, you got a new monitor. You're now 100% on the Mac for the production. What I'd been noticing with ECAMM and the way you had it set up, I don't know how you had it set up the last time, but there were moments like when you invoke the wheel, you would just. I would lose you, you would just kind of drop out, your audio would get squashed and do some things. And what I noticed this week, that's not happening anymore. So for whatever you've done, this maybe inside baseball and boring for some people, but. But whatever you did to get it all on the Mac, at least from my end, I always noticed I'd listen to the show and since you do a local recording, you would not necessarily see that or hear That I think because it was local to you.

Jim Collison [01:19:00]:
But my experience has gotten better this week for whatever changes you made, however you did that.

Dave Jackson [01:19:08]:
Well, it's interesting. Muscle memory is a thing. And it's funny because this morning I woke up and I went to listen to Spotify and turned right, because that used to be another machine. I would click on Spotify and click Play. It would be on channel three. And now everything, it's kind of easier. Everything is on channel two. That's the audio for the Mac.

Dave Jackson [01:19:28]:
And I just basically will take a tab and drag it over to this monitor and keep the other one over here. There's that and just other things that I'm just used to doing. And I'm like, oh, the other one. It used to be I would drag my mouse and it would go from the left monitor through the teleprompter into the right monitor. And now I have it set up and I might switch this back where I don't really drag things much, to the teleprompter. So it is now the first monitor on the left, then the left monitor and then the right monitor. And so when I was trying to drag the Wheel of Names thing there at the end, I was like, oh, wait, I've got to go far left now. So just little things you learn to.

Jim Collison [01:20:09]:
Well, better experience for me. Again, I don't know if it's necessarily translated to the live or to the listeners. So, you know, Randy's saying, Jim's telling how the sausage is made. What's kind of the point of the show? Right? Yeah, we. We get a little behind the scenes for you guys. But it, it has. It has changed my. My experience with you here.

Jim Collison [01:20:30]:
Not hearing those, you know, not hearing it drop out or stuttering like I had heard before.

Dave Jackson [01:20:36]:
Well, that's cool because it's funny. When I switched to the Wheel of Names in my headphones, it kind of for like a nanosecond cut out, and I was like, oh, is this going to be a memory issue now? So, but if it sounded good going.

Jim Collison [01:20:50]:
Your way, that's sounded okay to me. Now we'll have to see. Like you could have. This is one of those areas where fixing one thing breaks another. Yeah, it could be. Now that you. Because you moved that it's not affecting the live stream with me, but it is showing up in your recording. So you might want to go back this week, listen to that moment based on your side and say, hey, did something change in a way that is now affecting me here? Changing? This is good for Podcasters to know, you know, changing that environment, anytime you change anything, you should do a bunch of testing around it.

Jim Collison [01:21:26]:
It just to make sure it's getting what you think it is. Because you think, oh, yeah, this shouldn't have any difference. And then you're like, yeah, it actually does. So, yeah, just a good reminder to test, test, test.

Dave Jackson [01:21:38]:
Dad Space brought up that Rob Walsh addressed his departure. So when I was saying earlier things like there are things coming down at Lipson. Yeah, that was one I knew about. And he's still got podcast 411. And basically, as Rob put it, Libson has chosen to go in a different direction. And that different direction does not include Rob, does not include Elsie. And my logical brain does not comprehend that. I'm like, wait, these are two of the most influential, most knowledgeable people.

Dave Jackson [01:22:11]:
So whatever direction they're going in, I do not understand. I kind of voiced some of this on my LinkedIn and got a little snarky. I said, gee, I think I have a name for that direction. It's called down the Drain. But wherever they're going, I know they just promoted Brian. I used to call him Brian the video guy. And they promoted him in marketing. So I'm like, well, that's a good move.

Dave Jackson [01:22:35]:
So I'll be interested to see what their new direction is. I just know, and I've always said this, first of all, I wouldn't be where I am without lips. And I was there for eight years, and I still have people like, aren't you at Libsyn? I'm like, I haven't been there for almost two years. I just saw the writing on the wall that they were leaning much more advertising, and there were just decisions they made that I'm like, that's not the Libsyn way. And then they would make another one. I'd go, mmm, that's not the Libsyn. And I was like, wait a minute, the Libsyn way is changing. And I saw that and was like, yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:23:06]:
And I've always said, Libson is, you know, ice cream. I love ice cream. Vanilla ice cream is great, but if you give me chocolate peanut butter, I'm going to take that all day long. And to me, Podpage was more better suited for my skill set. So I'll be interested to see. And I've had people ask me, they're like, should I move? And I'm like, if it does what you need it to do. But just realize there are better options. But that doesn't mean that they're a bad option.

Dave Jackson [01:23:29]:
It just means there are better ones. So if all you need is a media host and you're on there, and all you do is publish twice a month, and you don't really use the dynamic ads. Yeah. As far as I know, Matthew Passey is still there. And Matthew came out with a tool. Oh, Matthew, I'm sorry. I don't know what the URL is, but if you ever want, we're talking about backing up your podcast. He came out with a tool.

Dave Jackson [01:23:53]:
Now that you throw in your RSS feed and it uploads it to the cloud. And not to pop his bubble. If you're on a Mac, there is a tool. I think it's called podcast archive. That's like $7. It's an app. And why. I've lost all control of my mouse on my.

Dave Jackson [01:24:13]:
Here we go. It is. I'm trying to find it. Pocket Cast. There we go. Podcast Archiver on a Mac is seven bucks. And what it does is you throw your RSS feed in. It downloads all of your episodes not by file name, but by the name of the.

Dave Jackson [01:24:32]:
So if it was, you know, normally SOP123MP3, but the actual episode was called Dave and Jim Talk Backups, it would download. The file name would be Dave and Jim talkbackups mp3. And so it's. That's like eight bucks. And I'm not sure. I think Matthews is based on how many episodes you have. And that's when I saw. Because I have, you know, whatever.

Dave Jackson [01:24:55]:
A thousand. I mean, this shows on. I think this is 562, you know, so the more. But on the other hand, the more stuff you have, the more episodes, the more you kind of want to keep those, you know, now we're into the 25 years of recipes. You really don't want to lose that. Yeah. Libsyn has also increased the price. I'll be moving away, too.

Dave Jackson [01:25:16]:
Yeah. I'm going to move some of my stuff. I just. It's. Again, they're not bad. I'm. It'll be a very unique situation that I will be that. So I don't have an archive or a link to.

Dave Jackson [01:25:34]:
I should. For the podcast archive, it's seven bucks. So if I made, what, 20% of that I make, you know, 36 cents. Something like that. Yeah. And then Randy says Podcast Archiver will also download the artwork and the show notes. So there you go. Who knew? So with that.

Dave Jackson [01:25:55]:
I know we're early, but we could sit here and we could do. So, Jim, what's new with you? We could do that.

Jim Collison [01:26:01]:
Yeah.

Dave Jackson [01:26:02]:
Do the catch up. But what is coming up on Home Gadget Geeks.

Jim Collison [01:26:07]:
Yeah, I've been taking a break. I think I'm back next week. I think. I think I'm back next week. I have to look at the schedule, but been taking a long break. Jay Franzi was the last one. He was in chat a little bit earlier. He was the last one on the show.

Jim Collison [01:26:18]:
I threw the link to the song. I didn't. I think I did this at the end last week, but Jay and I, I created an I. An AI influenced song. I say influenced because he wrote the lyrics.

Dave Jackson [01:26:28]:
Right, Nice.

Jim Collison [01:26:29]:
So it was his lyrical content, added music to it on the show. We kind of go through the process of adapting that via AI and working through it. So if you're thinking about creating some music that way might be a great show to listen to. You can see the end result. I threw the link to the YouTube video in chat if you want to go watch it. I like it. Check it out. You can check it out today.

Jim Collison [01:26:47]:
Home Gadget Geeks.

Dave Jackson [01:26:50]:
Yeah, on the school of podcasting last week I kind of did a revamped version of how to start a podcast. And for the record, I do not like that episode. I mean, it's not bad. I had other things planned and then at the last minute, life hit and that was kind of thrown together a little more than I wanted it to. But so this week we're talking about why should I podcast? And then also I've just run into a ton of people doing. Because of my podcast stories. Lou Mongello had one that was just amazing. And so I'm just gonna spotlight, like, here's some things.

Dave Jackson [01:27:23]:
So it's a little more of an inspirational kind of episode than. Than usual, but that'll be coming up. Also talking about the fact, like, I had somebody this week, they're like, I'm on episode 10 and I want to do this for a living. And I'm like, well, okay, but that's not gonna happen by episode 12. Like, there's. There's some timing in here kind of of what we talked about today. There's luck, there's timing, there's, you know, time, talent, treasure, content delivery, all those fun things. We'll be on the School of Podcasting this week.

Dave Jackson [01:27:53]:
So, yeah, Steven says, hey, hit the like button. And while you're there, you can also hit the subscribe button if you want to. And are we here next week? No show next week. Yeah, I'll be at Pod Fest. So I'll see you in two weeks.