Monetize Your Audience, Not Your Podcast

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Ask the Podcast Coach for February 14th. Hey, it's Valentine's Day, uh, 2026. Let's get ready to podcast.

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There it is. It's that music that means it's Saturday morning. It's time for Ask the Podcast Coach where you get your podcast questions answered live. I'm Dave Jackson from theschoolofpodcasting.com, and joining me right over there is the one and only Jim Collison from theaverageguy.tv.

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Jim, how's it going, buddy? Greetings, Dave. Happy Saturday morning to you. Good to be back. Big thanks to Glenn the Geek, filled in for me last week, the Don't Be Boring guy. And I even said it early in the show, so thanks for, thanks for coming on and thanks for filling in. It's good to be back. It's been a couple weeks with, with conferences and all those other kind of things. I miss my Saturday morning routine, so it's good to be with you guys. Yeah, it's, uh, and even better, not only that it's Valentine's Day, things are actually heating up anyway.

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It's actually 33 degrees in Akron, Ohio right now.

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It's been a long time since we've been above freezing. So that's fun. But if it was cold, it is winter. Sometimes we surprise ourselves.

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That's freaky that that was 2023.

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Like, feels like yesterday, like yesterday, right? Because it was Barbie.

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It's always been there, you know. Some of those movies are a little timeless and you're like, so yeah, who knows. Yeah.

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And, uh, I had somebody in Reddit today, they were asking about Libsyn, and they said, because I know Dave Jackson left a year ago, and I was like, kids, time flies when you're having fun. That was 2 years ago.

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February of 2024, which is weird because it seems like it was last week, but that was the, uh, the big move.

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Yeah, the chat room's talking about it. Um, if you haven't heard, Rob and Elsie have gone over to one of my— well, actually my favorite, um, my two top favorites. Uh, one is, uh, Captivate.

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That's my favorite. And people go, why is it your favorite? Uh, number one, because of this guy. You know, Danny Brown and their service staff. And the second one is Buzzsprout. And the only reason I like Captivate this much more is their business model. You can have as many shows as you want over there. But yeah, Elsie and Rob— and I knew, Rob texted me the night before he announced it, he goes, hey, big announcement tomorrow, and the good news is I don't have to move my content. So Rob and Elsie now both work at Captivate. So how cool is that?

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Because I told Rob when Rob was at Lipson and he left, he goes, so where do I move to? And I go, again, he— this is a guy that has more than one show. I said, go to Captivate. I go, it's $19 a month, and you can have as many shows, as many episodes as you want. I go, and the only time your bill goes up is if you go over 30,000 downloads. And I go, look, I know Podcast 411 is the original podcast about podcasting. I go, but I don't think you're doing 30,000 downloads, especially when you take a 10-year hiatus. And, um, the beautiful thing is, yeah, uh, Ralph says Captivate is great, Danny is awesome, the support product. Yeah, it's a great platform. And, um, so it's going to be interesting to see because the one thing I miss, we can't get Mark Askwith back on a microphone. I told him this at when he— when I inducted him into the Hall of Fame. I go, dude, when are you gonna get back on a mic? And so I thought he might be coming back to In and Around Podcasting. That's one of the podcasts over there at Captivate. And, uh, Rob and Elsie, who did not get to do— I'll be in— see, here's the fun thing. I would, I would have loved to heard an independent Rob and Elsie, like Elsie on Podcast 411, where you weren't representing a company. That's the episode I would have wanted to hear. But I will take the fact that they are now the new hosts of In and Around Podcasting. So that's going to be cool. So it's, it's kind of, um a, a slight twist on the feed, obviously, because that's a Captivate show. So that's going to be fun, and, um, it's exciting, you know, in a way. The, the biggest thing I thought about it, because I, I do these things called— have you ever— did you, being a, a somewhat military guy, have you ever heard the phrase brain tattoo? Okay, so I'd have— I thought it was my friend because he was a Marine, but he talks about— may— I think this is more because he was a'EMT for a while.' He goes, 'There are things that you get, brain tattoos,' that he goes. And he goes, 'And there are times when you don't get to choose,' he goes. 'But there are other times,' he goes, 'if you're having a really cool moment, take a second and kind of look around and soak it in and kind of take a little mental picture.' And when Rob was leaving, I thought, you know what, if he gets a job it someplace that's media but not podcasting, or advertising that's not podcasting, or whatever, you know, I go, that may be the last time I see Rob Walsh. And I've known that guy for 20 years. So when I heard that he got hired at Captivate, I'm like, okay, cool, I'll see him at, you know, Podcast Movement, or, you know, whatever, Podfest, etc., etc. So that was kind of cool. And, uh, everybody's wanting to know, Jim, you have a new microphone. It's not really new. I mean, it is. It's new to me in the sense that we've been struggling with audio here on the show for the last couple of, well, maybe a year or so. It's always been a little quiet. I have an OG. Yeah. Audio-Technica ATR2100. You know, it's— this is a 10 or 12-year-old mic, friends. Like, I have— this is my— the original. I did— I did that Yeti mic thing early. Yeah. And then started listening to others and they were like, hey, try this. And so we moved to it. And I've had that mic sitting on my desk for, like I said, 10 or 10, 11 years, something like that. And just so the last couple of months I've been trying to be really— because you guys here on this show complain how much quieter I am than Dave. And I'm always like, hey, Dave, I'm quiet. Can you, can you turn me up? And you've been like, I got you. Like, I got you as loud as I can. And I always kind of thought it was you.. And then I realized maybe it's me, like, you know, hey, podcaster, look at, look at heal thyself, right?

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And from that standpoint, so at work we have a bunch at Gallup. I've got a bunch of these. We switched over to the SM7Bs late last year and I thought, well, I'll grab a Samsung 2Q-U, give that a try to see if it's any different from an audio perspective. So not a new mic in the sense this mic's been used before. It's probably 4 or 5 years old, just to be honest. Bought a whole bunch of mics 5 or 6 years ago for the stuff that we were doing. Lightly used, if you know what I mean. I mean, we just didn't get a ton of usage, but I thought I'd bring it home, switch it out and see if that, you know, whenever you're having an audio problem, right? I was talking, I was chatting with Ed Sullivan about this a couple of weeks ago. He's like, okay, let's, let's walk through, right? This is let's walk through the things first, change the channel. So I took the plug out and put it in a new channel to see maybe that channel's going bad.

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And then wiring. So I switched, switched the wiring out, the cabling, to see if it was cabling. Nothing had changed. Then try changing the mic. That's where we're at right now. If that hadn't made a difference, then I would have looked at the, the next switch is the audio interface. Does that, you know, so it's, friends, that's, you know, as you're thinking about your troubleshooting your stuff, you just got to kind of work through the don't change everything at once. Yeah, don't swap it all out. One thing. Yeah. Yeah.

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So, so giving that a try. I don't know. It sounded like it's doing better than it was the last time. Dave, what do you think? You think over time— I mean, me spitting into this thing for the last, you know, 10, 11, 12 years— do you think that could, could be an issue? Do you think— I mean, I've never heard of a mic getting quieter. They usually just fail. But you want to do the Dave thing, which is never heard of, and just unplug that mic and plug that one in? No, no, I don't, I don't want to do that. Yeah, Daniel says, uh, I missed the 2100. Yeah, I'm so surprised they discontinued it. It was better than the Q2U. And to me, I don't hear a whole lot of difference, uh, from, from the two. But it was weird because it was, number one, it was great competition to keep the price of the Q2U low. Because they were both under $100. Um, and then, uh, yeah, someone says here they're, they're different. The ATR2100 has a lower volume than the Samson Q2U in his experience. So maybe— I don't know, I've never heard— maybe, you know, it's electronics, so maybe something isn't as, you know, just wearing out after 10 years.

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I don't know. It's really weird. Actually, I don't think it's the mic. I do think— I don't know. And Jody says you're, you're still kind of soft. Yeah, still sounding kind of— I'm gonna go back and listen to this. I did a recording on Thursday night with this mic and my podcast, and I was soft. So I'm not too— I'm not too, you know, I wanted to— I didn't want to taint your, your, your, your guy, you know, you guys' opinion out there too early to be like, hey, how am I, how am I sounding?

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You know, maybe I'm talking quiet. Probably not, but maybe I'm talking quieter. I don't know. Yeah, if this is going into the MOTU, it would be the MOTU that sets the volume. Yeah, it's on full blast. Like, I've got it turned up all the way. Wow. Installed the drivers. It's, you know, I've checked everything on the Mac. That's— I'm thinking that's it then, because most interfaces, if you crank them all the way up— well, I mean, it's—. Yeah, I mean, it's up enough, right? I don't— it should, it should be working this just fine from— but you never know, right? You never know. I'm going to try it next week. I'll have a— I'll have this mic and a— what did we say pre-show? What's the audio interface? Oh, the Scarlett something, something, something, something, something. Yeah, one of those. So I have— I have two.

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I use those at work, so I'll bring one of those home and we'll switch the audio interface next week just to see what it works, just to. See how it works. Chris says from castahead.net, it's time for a Cloudlifter. I don't want to put a Cloudlifter in there. I shouldn't need one, to be honest, with these running it through these audio interfaces that have a pre. I shouldn't, I shouldn't need it. Yeah, um, the MOTU— Jody's asking how old is the MOTU? 6, maybe 5, 6 years old. It's been a— it's been rock solid. I love the MOTU. Like, it's been a great— it's an M2, the MOTU M2, so a 2-channel It's been perfect for me. But to me, MOTU always sounds like some sort of character on Star Trek, you know, like, you know, let's see if MOTU can fix it. I don't know. MOTU, can you fix it? I'm doing the best I can, Captain. I wasn't having any problems until about a year ago. And, you know, did you spill something on it? Probably.

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That was your habit for a while. I know, I know. I went through 2 mixer boards. Um, spilling wine. For those who don't know, I've spilled a glass of wine on two mixers before, just fried them. They were— yeah. Hey, let's dump sugar water on them. Yeah, that's not going to go over well. Um, apparently CloudWolf has the new CL25, is smaller and lighter. The thing I like, FetHeads, because you don't, you don't need another cable. So, um, yeah, Danny says the Motu M2. Was one of my favorite interfaces. You can also try the Mic Hero, tiny and powerful, from Joey. Yeah, um, yeah. And then Randy says, I'm curious how it sounds over USB versus XLR. You might see a difference there. I won't do— I won't use you. See, I'm one of those guys, I never hear a difference when I go from USB to XLR. So for me, it's the experience. So I don't want to— generally, you don't get as good audio back, from the USB port than you do with the, with the XLR. I just don't use USB audio from that. Okay, that you're like, but you're on USB. Yes, I am. But, but it's XLR out of the microphone going into the audio interface, and then I'm getting direct feedback from the audio interface to what's going on in the mic. Now that's sometimes it's hard because when you don't, when you're doing it that way, you don't really know how you sound going out to the, you know, once it gets out to USB, you kind of lose— you're not, you're not getting a monitor of what's going live. You're getting a monitor of you live. So it can be a drawback. I just don't— I don't like USB audio from a, like, just plugging it straight into the USB from a microphone standpoint.

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I was never, I never got good ears. Yeah. Um, Ralph has a question. He says, uh, while we're talking about gear, I have a RODECaster Duo. Any benefit in going to the Pro or something better? Uh, 2 channels, that's really it. I've been seeing people having issues with the RODECaster, so I wanted some ideas. Yeah, I had a Pro, uh, and I kind of— I, I'm thinking about going back to the Pro, but it is a big unit. It took up half my desk. Like, I've got a big old desk here and it took up, you know, half of it. And I was like, huh. And so I switched to the Duo because all I ever do is interviews. It's not like I have 4 people in the room with me. And if I wanted to, the— now that I don't have my second computer, which I kind of miss because it was really easy to take sound off of this computer, uh, which was my PC, play it into the RODECaster and record it.

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Now I'm using something on the Mac from Rogue Amoeba or whatever it is it's called.

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P— it looks like Piezo. P-I-E-Z-O. It was really cheap. And so if I ever want to borrow audio from something I'm listening to, I can get it off of that. But in terms of getting your phone into it, because I know he's part of Mark Ronick's Daily Chat podcast, Morning Something Podcast, Morning Chat, there we go. You can Bluetooth into the Duo And I've never tried this, but now that I don't have my USB-C port tied up with my PC, I believe— I've never tried this, but I think I can plug a USB-C cable into my iPhone and go into the USB-C cable of that and hardwire my phone. I just haven't tried it yet. I'm looking here in front of me because, you know, I love to do things live on a stream. I don't have a USB-C to USB-C. I have every cable imaginable in front of me but that one. I have a, uh, I have one here. Why is this here. I have a cable to charge my, my watch, but, uh, not, uh, not that one. But that— you could try that. Um, I never had a problem with Bluetooth. I just— I hated it that it, it was an extra step. When I had the original RODECaster, it had the actual whatever 1/8-inch jack, um, a TRRS cable that was— so I loved having it hardwired, and we used to pull in Clubhouse into here every now and then. So I would try that. I would try the Bluetooth thing. I know, um, I don't think DR's here. I love DR, but she's— I don't know what she's using, but Mark sounds great. Um, everybody that's plugging a microphone into Clubhouse is obvious on that show. And, um, DR is making eggs for her husband, so we'll give her a break on that, but it's, uh, it's noticeable. Um, but that would be it. So yeah, it's— if you got a Duo, you know, throw your— and Ralph, you're doing that, uh, you've got Mark coming in on channel 2, just use channel 3 for your phone via USB, and then you'll be able to hear. Because the beautiful thing about a RODECaster or a, uh, the Zoom PodTrak P4 or the P4 Next, they all have mix-minus built in.

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And so in theory, you could just connect your— and everybody, the people on the phone will hear everybody that are in the room and that whole nine yards. So, um, remember when that wasn't built in? We, we had— my favorite was when Ray had a video, um, about Mix Minus. He's like, okay friends, Mix Minus is super easy, here's how you do it. And then it was literally 19 steps. It was like, plug this into that and this into that. And he cut the video really close, so it was like this here and that there, and you plug this there and get this one in here, and then set the level here, and then do that. And I'm exaggerating, of course, right? But it— that's the impression that I had going through that video. And so, um, I, I remember kind of we had a crossover period, right, where some of the old equipment still required you do a mix minus, and then some of the newer equipment was having it built in. And I think that's one of those advantages for new podcasters. They don't even think about it. It's like When we talk about hand coding your RSS feed back in the day, MixMinus is kind of that way too. Everybody was, oh no, you got to do all these things to get MixMinus. We don't even think twice about it now because it's built into almost 100%. Of the equipment we use.

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Well, there was the time when I had call— there was some sort of service. It's still around where you can take phone calls And you basically dial into this phone. And I remember I had to get an 18-channel board. It took up, this is back when I lived in Cleveland, 'cause I needed a mix minus so Jim could hear me and the caller, but not Jim. And then the caller could hear me and Jim, but not themselves. So I had this ginormous things. And then we would have, I don't know, 3 callers a quarter. We had a jingle. And that's when I learned my audience wants to put their questions in the chat. Hence, we still have askthepodcastcoach.com/question, and yet nobody ever jumps in to ask a question, but that's fine. Do it the way you want. The one and only, the Reverend Ken Blanchard, do you use a teleprompter? And if so, which one and how do you use it? Well, right now, 'cause I'm looking at you, I'm using my Elgato Prompter, which is 8 inches. Um, and it's great, uh, because you can make text really big if you're actually using it as a teleprompter. If I drag it over here, it's now on my main screen, but now I look like I'm lovingly looking at Jim, like, hi Jim, you know. That's just— so that's a weird look. Um, so I put it over here just for Zoom meetings because I do a lot of coaching calls, so I always put it over there. If— and what's weird is Elgato came out with a bigger one, 11 inches. So now it's a monitor is what it is. Um, and I'm trying to figure out if I bought that, um, would I— do I have enough room between?

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Because here's one monitor right here, and I got another one right here. If I, you know, I'd have to probably renegotiate. I have like— it looks like, um, a very bizarre Christmas tree. It's a, it's a pole with a bunch of arms on it that have all sorts of things hanging on it. Um, so, but I know, I believe it's pronounced Neewer, N-E-E-W-E-R. They have basically just copied— they were inspired, they were inspired by the Elgato one. The thing that I really, really hate about the Elgato prompter is there's no on/off button, so I have to have software on that I go in and turn off the prompter. And what I, I don't do it a lot because I've just learned, but there have been times when I've turned off my left prompter, which has the software that controls the teleprompter. So like, oh wait, I got to turn the prompter back on or turn the monitor back on so I can turn off the prompter via software and then turn off. So that's kind of a hassle. The bigger one has an on-off switch, which is another— I'm like, am I going to spend $200 to get, you know, more than I've already paid for this, uh, because I forget what this one goes for. It's not cheap, but it's one of those where if you compare it to like a real teleprompter, it's dirt cheap. But they're, um— so I, I thought I was going to use it and do a lot more YouTube videos. That's what I keep telling myself. I just haven't done it yet. But it's great for this kind of stuff where I'm looking at the camera and yet I still see Zim instead of doing this or this and looking at a side monitor thing. So Jim, do you use a teleprompter or anything? No. And I've— yeah, I've thought— I try to get the cam— I try to get the screen as close to the camera as I can. I'm seeing a lot of ads now for that— now that old dropdown camera, you know, so you put it— the unit sits on top of your monitor, then the camera's on an arm and it slides down to you so you can put it— you know, you could put it right in front. To do it. So it seems like maybe that's an every first of the year ad that comes out about, hey, no longer look off screen or no longer, you know, look at the people that you're, you're looking at. I just set up this studio at Gallup. We did a kind of a new refresh of the, of the studio. And I actually have a giant, you know, curved ultrawide monitor. That's the center stage. Then the camera comes up right in front of it. So I'm kind of using the monitor now as a— as a teleprompter from that standpoint. So I can kind of put things in front of it. The camera kind of disappears. The disadvantage is the camera is about that big, like it's 2 inches, you know, it's kind of almost 2 inches tall, 5 centimeters. And I don't think, I don't know if that's actually true, but I don't know if I got the conversion right on that one, but it's fairly large, right? And so there are moments you can see me trying to look, trying to look around the camera, you know, you're like, What's on the other side of that camera, right? Looking through it. So I probably could use a teleprompter, but I don't. Hey, I did make a sound change. Did that change anything? Live audience, did that change anything on the sound? I said I don't remove things live like you just said, but then I just did in the software and I lost the show for a second. I was like, oh no, I hope I can come back. Anyways. So yeah, let me know.

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If I sound any different. Um, L. Circe says, what's the advantage of a teleprompter versus a second monitor? The difference is I'm looking at this like a monitor, and behind it is a camera. So the camera— you have the teleprompter, which is in my case is this kind of angled thing, and then behind it you have a camera. So it could be your phone if you wanted it to.

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And so when I'm looking at this monitor, I'm actually looking at— I'm looking through the, the, the glass, because technically how this works is it's actually— I wish I— if I had this plugged in, I would, would switch to a different camera. But basically, the teleprompter is flat, and then above it is just a piece of glass, which is almost like a mirror. And so I plug it in, the actual image is down here, it gets reflected on this thing, which I'm looking through, which behind it is a camera. So that's the big difference, whereas if it was just a second monitor, then I'd probably be looking like this because the camera would be up here on top of the monitor and I'd be talking like this. Speaking of that, um, we're both good at this. Um, I was watching Amy Poehler on Good Hang and she was interviewing Jennifer Lawrence, and you'll hear about this in my next episode. Um, it's not hard, put the camera eye level. But Amy Poehler's friend put the camera below her nose and shot up, and you're just like, hey, uh, whatever her name was, you might want to invest in one of these lovely, you know, nose trimmers. Um, and then when she talked, she tilted her head back, and I'm like, wow, I can see your brain with that camera angle. So it was just one that I was like, I'm actually Technically, maybe a little too tall in this. I see where if I move, my head goes out of frame. But these are the things you worry. About when you're doing video. If I'm on audio— camera coming down— I listen, I don't know if I'm more alarmed that you're talking about nose hairs or that you have a nose. Hair trimmer within reach. Oh my, I, I, you know, I harvest every 3 days, man. It's like, and it's just like, I feel like, like I'm out there with a, a sickle, right? Just cutting it down. And it's like, okay, well, I just, I don't want to be— look, we all know the old guy that has hair out of his nose and eventually hair out of his ears. Um, and I just don't want to be that guy. So, um, yeah, uh, I just saw somebody— StreamYard now has a built-in teleprompter. And Mark Ronick, see, he's like Beetlejuice. You say his name and he shows up. Okay, hold on though. Like, let's separate the term teleprompter from functionality and device, right? So when we think about a teleprompter, most people think about the you know, just a flat panel that has words that come up so you can look at it and read the words, that teleprompter functionality. If you have a software teleprompter, like a website that acts as a teleprompter, you still can't put the camera behind your monitor and use it like a teleprompter. It's got to be out front, right? The teleprompter equipment, like you're talking about, where it's got that, you know, the image comes up, it hits a mirror, the camera can go right through it. Although I've seen your camera in the teleprompter because if the, you know, the image is going through it, but if it's a really bright image, it will affect your, the, the quality of your image because you're still pushing light waves through that glass, right? So there's teleprompter functionality like that scrolls words and things like that for you, and then there's an actual teleprompter. So just, just know what you're getting into between the two of those things. On some of the teleprompters, you just put your screen— you can put your screen up. Like, you could put Ask the Podcast Coach, you'd put me up in the screen, right? That way you're kind of forced to look at me through the mirror and through the glass, and it helps keep your eyes— I don't know about you, Dave. No, I do know about you, but I know for me, my eyes shift. Like, I am such a shifty And I mean that both figuratively and literally. I am such a shifty individual. I'm constantly looking all around. So I've had folks say, why don't you get a teleprompter? I'm like, I'm not sure it'd make that much of a difference, to be honest with you. I'm looking all over the place when I don't have that eye discipline to. Always be looking forward. If I remember right, I always butcher her name. Luria Petrucci. I know it's Petrucci. It's the Luria that I'm not sure if I have that right. Formerly known as Callie Lewis many moons ago. Um, and she was saying about how teleprompters— I, if I remember right, I think you want them kind of further away because the closer they are, you're— the people will start to see your eyes reading left or right. Whereas if it's, it's something— I think if it's further away, because you would think your left or right would be like longer that way. But I know there's, there's one is better than the other. Where you'll start to see people. Or— and I will give Amy Poehler credit— when Amy Poehler reads an ad, she's like, you know, we'll get to our guest right after this.

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And then it comes off, it's Amy in a different shirt, so you know it's pre-recorded. And she's just saying, hey, today's show is brought to you by BetterHelp. And she's just reading it like— it's like, I'm not pretending that I'm not reading this on the— I'm just going to read it and you're going to watch me read it. I'm like, wait, wait. And, uh, to be transparent that way. Well, it was like the old Rush Limbaugh, right?

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I mean, you heard Rush Limbaugh shuffling his papers. He would, he would bang them on the desk sometimes, and you know, you could hear him crumpling them up. He didn't care, you know, he was just like, I'm just gonna do, I'm. Just gonna do me.

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Ralph, Ralph went over to Prompter People. I guess it's a website. He spent $2,500.

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This is where the Elgato prompter is way cheap. But his is— I forget how many— uh, 2500 prompter. I love it, makes my life easier. It's a big one. I know he mentioned how big it was. It's like 27-inch or something. He basically bought a TV, and that's a prompter. And that's a professional one. That's the one that the people on the news use. Um, it's a mirror, says, uh, Ralph. Yes, that's it. Uh, doesn't Ecamm allow you to use your iPhone as a camera? It does if I had it connected. Yes, but I don't. Um, so, uh, there is a good question here. Um, I want to know why Dave has a nose trimmer on his desk. Well, Dave has nose hair. I said that's what I mean, but. It'S just alarming how fast you got to it. Oh, it's right here. I have a coffee cup with scissors. I've got a level in here for no reason whatsoever.

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Actually, that's for the teleprompter. Um, nose trimmers. What else do I got in here? Um, oh, lots of, uh, connectors. I have a bucket boss with, with, with fingernail clippers. Yeah, I've got— here's, here's an XLR to, uh, whatever that would be called, 3.5 millimeter, uh, a screw. So, you know, uh, you want a screw? Aha, I love third grain humor.

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And then some sort of headphone to this. I have a bunch of connectors, so everybody has that in there. And it's a, it's a Glenn the Geek Horse Radio network. Cup that I've now made a complete. Mess of my desk. But do you have— I have a ratchet in my— right, a little tiny ratchet thing. And hold on, wait, I have a— this is for a chainsaw. It's a screwdriver. I don't know why this is in my bucket. I have a bucket boss for a coffee mug. I'm not sure why this is sitting. I've never pulled it out to use it before. Hey, what's in your chat room?

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Or what's in your— put it in the comments. What's in— what's— what weird items are sitting on your desk and you don't know why? Like, yeah, what's the— can you just reach for a microphone on a— can you get a microphone? You know, can you, uh— I also took the— I've got one of these, uh, Randy Cantrell sent this to me. I've got one of these pause buttons. Oh yeah, nice. You can mute it. I took it out of the circuit because I was trying to find out what was causing my audio issues. But what's on your desk?

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Like, yeah, and I, I also have one. Oh, that's you. I also have the little— is that for the rake? The garden rake? It's the garden rake, but it's really back scratcher. It's a back scratcher, but it looks like a little baby rake. So, um, that's fun. Yeah, uh, Ralph said it's a 27-inch, uh, Prompter People is where he got his prompter. So if you want to go pro. Um, really good question. Oh, before we— before you do that, hold on, before you do that Uh, before we move on, the— if you're talking about a monitor, Dell just released, uh, a brand new 55-inch 4K monitor. 55-inch 4K monitor for you. So I saw a demo of this thing, um, some YouTuber. It's giant. So you could put that thing like on the other side of the room and use it as a monitor.

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Yeah, that might actually be a good teleprompter, to be honest. Get it way off the desk. Yeah. You know, get it way back, put a camera in front of it, zoom that camera in. Beautiful. Ralph's studio— now Ralph put some money into his studio, and I want to say behind him is an 80-inch TV, and he uses it for— so it looks like Ralph is sitting next to a window with a fountain out the back, and it's just this giant TV behind him. So, which is, you know, the beautiful thing is now if you want to obsess over it you just change the background on the TV and you're, you're good to go. Another thing about— we were talking about the Bluetooth connection on the RODECaster. Daniel says the Bluetooth from the RODECaster is not as good as wired. Yeah, that we knew. The difference was huge in the original RODECaster Pro. I think the newer models are better, but still not as good as wired. And Daniel, if you can send me an email, let me know what's a good time to contact you today, because we're going to NRB. I'm going to pick up Daniel on the way down., and I have questions about NRB. Um, that's this week. That is, uh, this week. Yeah, we leave, uh, Monday. Um, and so, but Danny Brown has a— well, actually, Danny Brown via Elsie Escobar has a great question because I had to go through this.

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Um, he says, uh, we see in, uh, what's the best approach to replace embedded players from previous hosts when you move?

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It's a pain in the butt. And that's why if you go to schoolofpodcasting.com, it's on Podpage. Why? Because I, over, you know, the 2 years, I've been manually updating because I used WordPress. Nothing wrong with WordPress, but all my players are made by PowerPress. Um, and over when I switched 2 years ago, I started embedding the Captivate player.

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And so I had, you know, whatever, 19 years of players that I had to replace. Hired somebody to do it at one point, and they did most of them, but there were still some

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Ask the Podcast Coach, originally on Libsyn, on, uh, and was on Podpage. And so when I switched to— in that case, that shows on Buzzsprout— I went in, do your 301 redirect. Do not relist your show on Apple and Spotify if you move from host to host. Just put in a redirect. And I put in the redirect, refreshed my settings on Podpage, and said, hey, go check for new episodes. And all the Buzzsprout players came in. And so what's beautiful is, uh, The School of Podcasting is on Captivate. And so when we went to Podpage, they're all there. So, uh, the easiest answer is switch to Podpage, and then all your players are updated, and etc., etc. If not, you have to manually copy and paste. And so I hired somebody from the Philippines to do about, I don't know, 700 episodes. Um, and I made them a video. I said, here's what I need you to do. And the cool thing is, is in Captivate you can give somebody access to just certain parts of your show. And so she was able to go in and get the code for the player, and then I gave her access to WordPress and blah blah blah. Um, so that is a pain in the butt.

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It's, it's not hard. It's a great I'm going to do this while I binge something on Netflix show because it is just copy Paste, save, next one.

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And the nice thing for me is all my shows are slash the number. So if I want to go listen to episode 400, I go to schoolofpodcasting.com/400. And so it was easy to get there and go in and edit and then go to Captivate, search for 400, get the code. Like, it took like maybe 20 seconds per episode, but it was just mind-numbingly dumb. So I wish there was a better way. If the one thing, if I had a complaint, and it's very small, and I understand why, because the beautiful thing at Captivate, like chef's kiss, oh, Amy, their dynamic tool changes your name, your file name. And so if it didn't, there's a— there's— now you have to be careful with this, but there are find and replace, uh, plugins for WordPress. And I could say, hey, where this says libsyn.blah blah blah/feed/ and then my file name, I'm positive there's something at Captivate that's like, you know, episodes.captivate.blah blah blah.

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I could say, hey, find this Libsyn thing and replace it with Captivate, and you'd be like, and all your files would be done. But they don't, and I get why, because they have— and it would be, I'm assuming, hard to do all this magic dynamic stuff to your, your, your episode and then keep the file name.. But, uh, um, so that's the, that's the issue. Um, and it is, it's a pain in the butt. So the answer is get a Podpage affiliate account, Elsie, and, um, just tell your people to go to Podpage. So, uh, but otherwise you're, you're kind of screwed. So, um, meanwhile, in the land of RODECasters,

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I have a Duo for live streaming and a Pro for when I have 4 people in the room. Yeah, unless— and the thing with me, I saw this on Reddit this morning, that, um, if you have more than 4 people, like somebody said, we're trying to do a D&D, they're probably watching Netflix, uh, and watching Stranger Things. I'm like, we should turn this into a podcast.

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When you get into like 5 and 6 people, it's really— because they— it's always, I want to— I have 6 people on my show how can I do this? I know I should get— at least they say this— I know I should have a microphone for everyone, but how do I do this? Our budget is, you know, $38.50. And you're like, no, you know.

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So A, do you need everybody there? And then B, you have to buy, you know, let's say it was 6 people, you have to buy 6 microphones.

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Great, you can buy the Q2U, that's, you know, $500 and some change. But then you need a mixer and a Rodecaster Pro isn't going to do it. And then you get into maybe the Zoom H6, I think, can record 6 microphones at once. So it gets kind of— the, the more you add, the more money you're going to add and the more complexity. So maybe you don't need Earl. Like, Earl's a great guy, but you're sitting out on the podcast. And you know what, Debbie, you're gone too. We're going to do this with 4 people. I don't know, it's, it's kind of tough. Um, Ralph says, uh We're also doing the video now, uh, for the podcast Morning Chat on Riverside on the podcast. Yeah, podcasting, we are seeing real growth on the video side as well as Clubhouse. There you go. Yes, and somebody said, hey, Clubhouse.

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Is. That still a thing? It is. I, I, it's— what's weird is, do they have a— like, are you paying for Clubhouse yet? Because they've been doing free. If, if it's not a good question If you're not paying for it, how are they still around? Because they kind of like their window to get purchased when it was really hot and it was, you know, the podcast killer. Yeah, see how well that worked. And, uh, I still say I love Clubhouse the first time it came around where you could be one person talking live to many people and it was called radio. I'm like, it's really not that big of a difference. And Uncle Marv chiming in says, uh, hey, that USB slot on the RODECaster or the RODECaster Duo, um, you can add any device to add more audio. So I'm gonna have to play with that when I get back from Nashville and, uh, see how that works with, uh, the phone. Maybe, maybe we'll start pulling Clubhouse in here. Um, it does— no, please don't, they're. The worst audience ever. We did have some strange people. Uh, yes, we did. They were horrible. I remember the one guy that couldn't explain his show.

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I was like, who's the show for? And he was like, well, it's— we're. Talking about different dimensions. I'm pretty sure he was high. Yeah, pretty sure he was high. Yeah, really high. Yeah. So, uh, Danny Brown says Podpage is awesome. We send so many podcasters there who need more than just a simple podcast site. Um, you know, the— Brendan would be more than happy to set it up to where they just click your affiliate button and presto, they'll automatically grab your feed.

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Um, I think he's reached out to a couple different media hosts that go, hey, if you don't feel like building a website for your customers, we have an affiliate program and you click a button like build my website. So, um, yeah, we have some fun things coming down the pike at, uh, at Podpage. At the end of the month, we're going to do a webinar that's talking just some of it. It's— if you ever do this at work where there's a bunch of changes but they're all behind the scenes, so it looks like nothing has changed, but. Right, we've made it to where, uh, it's, uh, those are the hard ones to do because you don't— they're not sexy.

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They just fix things. Sometimes it enables, you know, better service.

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Sometimes it breaks stuff. I mean, you take an old service of some kind and you're like, well, nobody's using this anyway. So you rewrite the service, test it, deploy it. The day you make it go live, you hear from 15 people who had written code against the service, right? Hey, you just broke my stuff, right? I mean, it's, it's, it, those backend services are the hard ones to fix, especially when You don't really see them. You know, it's not like it's a new functionality, new, new whatever. It's tough. This is where I mean, the legacy companies struggle, right? You build this gigantic ship and it's an aircraft carrier, but it started as a canoe, right? You know, you got a canoe that you built on, you bolted on, you know, and then pretty soon it's like, this is super unwieldy. Like, let's— we need to write this from the ground up. This is the hard part for a lot of organizations is to scrap the old flagship canoe aircraft carrier, right? They're like, I don't know, there's so much— we did so much work on that thing. You know, you have developers who don't want to rewrite it again. You know, this is hard. You've been working on an application for 4, 5, 6, 10 years and you— it's hard for those legacy. I'm just saying, I don't have anybody in mind. I don't have anybody in mind when I'm saying this. Well, listen, this happens to all— this happens to almost all software. I mean, yes, it's easy to point them out right now. Yeah. But eventually the other ones will catch up as well, you know. And it's hard to let go of your legacy stuff. It just— it's just— it's just hard. And to say, well, we're going to write this from the ground up, and it's like, oh, do we have the intestinal fortitude to be able to do that? I don't know. It's tough. Yeah. Ralph says we all have to learn to adapt and change or we'll become dinosaurs. When I first saw ChatGPT, I was like, I don't like this at all. I don't think we should— this is horrible, you know, blah blah blah. And then I was like, you know what, I remember when people didn't like email. Like, you better get on board, buddy. So it's, uh, kind of spooky. But, uh, you know who is already on board? That's right, our awesome supporters.. We deeply appreciate all of them, uh, and so you can be an awesome supporter by going over to askthepodcastcoach.com/awesome.

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Uh, people like John Munz, uh, let's see, because he's in the, uh, chat room, um, the contentcreatorsaccountant.com, good old castahead.net, uh, as well as— where is Jody's, uh, Jody Voiceovers? Andvocals.com is Jody's, uh, website. So thanks for being an awesome supporter.

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And if you need some honest, constructive feedback, there was a a guy on Reddit this morning, how do I grow my show? And then I saw a really— somebody written a really long post about how to launch a podcast. Nowhere in there was get feedback from people. I was like, come on, you're trying to, you're trying to market something that might be meh, you know. Uh, check it out at podcasthotseat.com. And I already mentioned Podpage, but if you want to try Podpage, check out trypodpage.com. And if you need more Jim Collison, and hey, Who doesn't? Uh, just go over to theaverageguy.tv and check out Home Gadget Geeks, uh, and learn about the, uh, the gadgets for those that are geeky. And, uh, it's time for our— that's. The tagline, it's gadgets for geeks. Yes, can I steal that? I'm gonna put that on the site this afternoon. It's on here. I gotta redo my business cards now. Um, but it's time for The Wheel o' Names. So who will it be? Will it be Greg over at Indie Drop-In or Glenn the Geek?

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Or there's Jody right there, Audio Branding. The ladies are having probably a great time now that the Olympics are going on over at Flame Alive. They were last week's, uh, winner, and we're gonna spin the wheel and see who it is. Round and round it goes. And can you get it 2 weeks in a row? Have we ever had somebody get it 2 weeks in a row? I think magic with the Olympics going.

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On right now, that's magic. So, uh, flamealivepod.com, uh, are, uh, is where you can find them. And yeah, I know they were over in wherever it was. This is how much I watched the Olympics. Italy, I want to say. Is that where the Olympics were? Yeah, Milan is where it's— I know there was a dude that was doing a quad, like he was doing a triple— not a triple, but like 4 spinny winnies in the air. And, and I was like, that's, that's— I would get dizzy doing that.

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Um, so thanks for being an awesome supporter.

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You can be an awesome supporter over at askthepodcastcoach.com/awesome. And if you're sitting there thinking, well, why would I do that? Well, because maybe we saved you some time or saved you some money or a headache, or maybe we kept you educated. Uh, you can— if you don't want to do a monthly thing, you can also do one-time payments over there just to say thanks at askthepodcastcoach.com .com/awesome. So, uh, there you go. Um, Ken Blanchard, Dustin Awesome Things, Musicians Cooler, uh, you taught a lot about that unintentionally. Yeah, that's— that was my very first podcast. And, uh, Ralph says feedback is hugely important to growing your show, but have a plan from the start to make sure you got a roadmap to— that's it. Why are you doing this? That's, uh, a lot of people don't do that. And then I go, uh, When, um, when I ask people, how are you going to measure your success? That gets a lot of blank stares.

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And I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, you know, how are you going to measure the thing you're trying to do? And they're like, download? They think it's like a trick answer. And I'm like, well, is it downloads? Is it growing your network? Is it, you know, uh, selling things? Is it, you know, changing the way people think, etc., etc.? Uh, speaking of money, Um, let me pull this one up.

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There were a lot, and I mean like every other question on Reddit this morning was this. So here's one. Um, he says, our team is launching a new sports podcast project. We have the production infrastructure and distribution strategy locked down. So I've got an editor, infrastructure, I figured out who's the host and who's not, distribution, I got a media host And we're lucky enough to have notable hosts and a pipeline of high-level talent and guests that we expect will drive significant interest from day one. To that, I would say big names will help you get clicks. Like if it's, you know, whoever, some major sports person or whatever, you'll click once, but if it doesn't deliver value, that second click is sometimes kind of hard to get to. He says, "But while we're experts on the content side, we don't have an in-house sales team to handle the business and monetization of the show. We're looking for recommendations for third-party rep firms that specialize in representing independent shows to major brands and agencies, selling premium sponsorships, custom integrations, and managing custom ad packages.

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We aren't looking for a hosting platform with an ad marketplace. We're looking for a partner, that proactively sells the show to brands. Are there any companies that you recommend?

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I would say Heather over at True Native Media would be that. Are there any red flags that you should avoid? Yes, you don't have an audience yet. That's the one thing you need. I love the fact that they're so— like Ralph said, you've got to have a plan. But it's our first pod.

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I hate it when people call it a pod. I really do.

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It's your first show for me. Um, so we appreciate any, uh, anything you can help us, you know, avoid here.

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So first things first, buy this book. Not mine. You wrote a book? Well, no, this isn't my book. If, if the goal is sponsorship, um, Sponsorship Magnet by Justin Moore. Yeah, and if you— if that one's not enough, yeah, then you could buy this one, Profit from Your Podcast, uh, available at Profit from Your Podcast. But if you're looking for sponsors, definitely get Justin's book. But you don't monetize a podcast. You monetize an audience. And you got everything there. And kudos for planning and getting it set. I would definitely sit down with your somewhat well-known co-hosts and have the uncomfortable conversation and explain what happens when money rolls in. Because if money rolls in and you're like, "OK, I get 70% of that and Earl gets 30," If you haven't— if Earl doesn't know that's coming, that's not going to be good. You got to figure that out before the money shows up. But it just seems like everybody is like, okay, I started a podcast, how do I make money? And that's fine. I always kind of tell people, if you want to make money, we need to know that up front because you want to— you know, that might help you choose Captivate over, say, Ellipsen because you're going to promote your own stuff or your own ads or things like that. But because I don't want to like It's weird because part of me goes, yeah, we need to know if you want to make money when you first start, but don't expect to make money when you start. So it's a weird kind of like, we needed to have both ends of that, but it just seemed like everybody was all about, how do I. Make money with my podcast? So it's tricky. I think if you're gonna go at this from a money perspective, uh, you start thinking clearly from the very beginning with strategies to How am I actually— before you even start, how am I actually going to monetize this?

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Right. How are we going to— I think some folks, you know, you got to kind of inspect what you expect. And I think a lot of folks go in not knowing how they're going to do the money thing. And you've got to kind of have those, you know, you got to kind of have that nailed down. If I'm going to open a burger stand, you know, hamburger place, I've got to have some ideas of What I'm going to— what the menu is going to look like, how is it going to be different than everything else? And then most of all, how much am I going to sell them. For? Right. And I think this is where a lot of podcasters miss is they don't do enough market research to know, hey, this content can be sold for this. It's the same business. Like these businesses aren't any different.

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I mean, yeah, the products might be a little bit different and the way we go about the advertising might be a little bit different. But at the end of the day, it's providing value to separate your customers' money from them to you. Like, this is what you're trying to do, right, is get paid for the stuff that you're doing. And so I think you got to really be savvy about it and be like, no, this is, this is going to be our monetization strategy. These are the things that we're going to do from day one. And you have to build those in early if you're going to do it from, from a money standpoint. You don't have to. You can do it, you know, you can just have fun and have a good time. You know, I, I think I've said this on the show, I almost closed up Home Gadget Geeks back in December. I was this close. I'd even told my wife, we're bringing it in for a landing. And then I started scheduling, continuing to schedule shows. And she was like, I thought we were going to wrap that up. And I'm like, I can't. I like it too much. I enjoy doing what I do too much.

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And so I made that decision to keep it going. But, but I think monetization, if you're going to go down that route, you got to get very, very serious about it. And we've talked about this before. You got to spend money to make money. So this isn't— you're not— I'm not going to say you're not going to do this because someone will do it and prove me wrong. But very few times are you going to go in and say, you know, I've got $100. Like, how can I turn this $100 into $100,000?

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Well, friends, it's hard. You might get lucky, but probably. Not. You know, you're going to need to work at it. Ralph has the same concern I do, which is he says they're focused on money, on the money side, because they're buying into the lie that it's going to be overnight. It doesn't work that way.

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And the other thing is, now you're like, wait, it's episode 3, we, we're up to 28 downloads, and I'm still not making money.

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So now you have like, it's only 28 downloads, and I'm not making money.

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Where if it wasn't about money yet, it's like, oh, we got 28 downloads, to where I'd go, yeah, that's, that's 1.5 classrooms. So it's another kind of— it's. A double whammy if you're really focused on that. Um, well, and I think, you know, we've heard it said in podcasting that podcasting has a discoverability problem, and that's not true anymore. You have a discoverability problem. Like, if you're doing this and folks aren't coming, that discoverability is on you. There's enough, there's enough avenues, enough ways, enough channels, enough people know about this from a— there's very few people, if you'd ask anymore, what's a podcast, wouldn't know. Right. And so we're no longer— it's no longer a discoverability problem for podcasting. You're the discoverability problem. So you've got to figure out how do I get myself in front of as many potential customers as possible and convince them to listen, right? And then when they are listening, what kind of value are they getting in a way that wants to have them do something, whatever that is that you want them to do, right? It's influence. What are they going to. Do? So you got to get— you got to get after it and pay attention when you tell somebody about something. Like, why are you— like, you're doing word of mouth. Like, um, I just saw this video. Brett Cooper is somebody who now occasionally is on Fox So she's right-wing, she used to work for The Daily Wire, and what I loved about it is— we'll just call her, you know, she's on the right side of politics, and she was taking out people on the right side of politics, and I was like, whoa! And what it was is she pointed out how the Bayer company spent $31 billion to buy whoever makes Roundup, and Roundup has been tied to cancer, And so she pointed out, she's like, so they own— because they're trying to push through legislation where like you can't sue Roundup if you get sick. They're trying to push that through because it's already been pushed through, by the way, if you didn't know. I don't want to talk politics, but if you get sick from a vaccination, you can't sue that company. And they're trying to make it for chemicals. And so Brett pointed out, she goes, just so you guys see this, they own the company that, that makes you sick And they're also the company that sells you the drugs to make you better. She's like, just think about that one for a while.

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And so, to me, I was like, wait, what? And when you get a wait, what moment, you usually wanna tell people. And I was on Reddit and I answered a question. I said, your show needs to be remarkable. And they said, is your show remarkable? And I go, occasionally, but not every week, no.

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I go, I think my show is very good.. And I go, I think it's good, very good, and occasionally remarkable. And I go, but I, again, if I had to do it again, I'd cancel all my shows, keep the School of Podcasting, and make it remarkable every week. Probably go every other week and do investigative stuff. I go, but my show is helpful, it's entertaining, it makes you laugh while it teaches you. I go, so it's a good show, at times very good, but on occasion I'll hit that remarkable thing and people people will start sharing it. And I go, but it's, it's not easy.

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I go, I'd like to say, oh, I'm remarkable. I'm like, you know, I think we sometimes— we think we are when we're not. Um, we're talking pimps in the chat room. Um, Ralph says, so many pimps are out there promoting the get-rich-overnight nonsense. New creators are spending thousands on their programs. Yep. Um, let's see, uh, El Circe says, the one podcast I heard recently that made money very quickly is Girls Gone. Bible. In a matter of weeks they. Gained a very large. Following. Yeah, interesting.

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It does happen. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, you have runaway— this happens in regular media as well. You have a runaway hit that all of a sudden everybody's watching, you know, and you're just like, you know, the network put this on TV and they were like, well, we hope it does okay, and it just, it explodes, right? Uh, Mandalorian was probably a good example of— I, you know, I think some people thought that'd be good, but Was it the success? It was probably bigger than they expected from, you know, from a success factor. So you get— that does happen. And I don't think you should— you can't start this process already saying it's gonna fail. You have to be like, hey, I'm gonna try this because I don't know, maybe I will be this, maybe we'll hit the seam.

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You know, you never find gold if you don't go digging. So, you know, you, you've got to, you got to do some work to go out there. And man, at the price of gold right now, I'm feeling like maybe I'll go find some streams, you know. But, but it is, um, it's one of those things you've got to go into it thinking like, okay, this may not, you know, in, listen, in media there's, there's way more failures than there are successes, right? Oh man. The trick is you got to keep going.

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When you ask all these successful people— and I'll put successful in quotes, right? They got to this level of success that they were looking for. When you start looking at their back catalog, you're like, oh, that was terrible. That was awful. That one never worked. You know what they. Did? They kept going. That's it. Trying. They kept doing things.

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I forget who the actor was. It was a famous actor, somebody you would recognize. And they were talking about they would move out to California during pilot season. And you would go out and you'd try to get cast. And I forget who it was, 'cause they kept saying how bad they were at auditions. They said, but they eventually got better at auditions once they realized what people wanted. And they said, but it was amazing. He said, I think I was on 12 pilots. And he goes, and none of them got picked up. He goes, but you get paid okay to be in a pilot. And he says, and you also had to sign a pretty bad contract, um, to even be in the pilot because in the event they got this thing picked up and it took off, they wanted you at a kind of not rock bottom price, but you know, you don't get that friend's money until you have to renegotiate your contract. And so, but he was just saying how, you know, he goes, I got better auditions. Why? Because I did a lot of them. And he goes, and then I got good at in, in pilots. He goes, but, you know, he goes, I knew there was some of those shows I'm thinking, wow, this is horrible writing, nobody's going to watch this show, I can't believe they're even making the pilot. And he said, but, you know, he goes, eventually one hit. Oh, it was, uh, George Clooney.

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Clooney. Clooney. Clooney. George Clooney, yes, was saying how he was awful, and then he, he ended up getting The Facts of Life, that he was on, uh, The Facts of Life with Mrs. Whatever, and, you know, The girls and all that, and then that led to something. And yeah, so, but it was funny listening to him say just how he was, you know, he goes, yeah, I was awful at auditions. So, um, the other thing I'm gonna play, this is gonna sound awful, uh, I'm gonna play this on my phone through my microphone. I just interviewed, um, her name is Jaina. She does a show called Big Lash Energy, and she's amazing. And I was, so I listened to 3 episodes before I interviewed her, because I met her at, uh, Podcast Movement DC, which is like 2 years ago, and we just happened to reconnect. And she said, well, a while ago you said I should be on my show, because she, she grew her audience by being on a dating site. And I was like, that's a cool way to grow. I've never thought— it works for her because your show's about relationships. So I went back and I listened to her last 3 episodes. They were amazing.

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She's a really great storyteller. I'm like, well, hold on. So I went back to her first episode. And so here's somebody proving you don't have to make money with your podcast.

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From a lot, I've learned a lot. And now my personal mission on this planet is to help as many women as possible. I want to help you heal, recover from heartbreak, love yourself more deeply and unconditionally, live boldly, and love the skin you're in. These are all things I've had. She's doing it just to help people. And if you listen to her story, it's an amazing story. She's had a lot of not great things happen to her. And she's just like, but I bounced back. You know, it wasn't easy. And if I can do it, you can do it. So it's one of those inspirational kind of stories. And I, 'cause I asked her, I said, I've listened to 5 of your episodes now for this interview. I go, I have yet to hear a pitch. I go, not even a like, subscribe and ring the bell.

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She's not doing video, but just there was nothing. And it was just like, I said, you're a great example of somebody that just wants to help people. And she goes, yeah. She goes, now she goes, she's really talented in makeup. Her Instagram is just all these pictures of, she could make me look pretty. We'll just go that route. And she said, yes, I have gotten some business, but here's the interesting thing. You never hear her— she just says she's a makeup artist. And she goes, but she never pimps herself out. And she goes, but I've had people say, oh, I, I hunted you down, I looked at your Instagram. I go, these are people are already sold. You've already sold them without selling, and they just want to work with you because she's hilarious. Um, yeah, uh, Ralph says, yeah, she has a vision and a plan and it works. She understands her why. She says, I looked into, uh— yeah, Rich said that didn't sound that bad at all.

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I was surprised. I was like, "Huh, who knew?" But it's— she was a really interesting interview. And she's done a couple things, and she occasionally talks about hot dogs and donuts on her show because it's a relationship show. And she found out her mom is listening to her. Show. And I'm like, "That's not awkward at all!" I found out.

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My neighbor across the street was listening to my show. See, we— it's one of those where we're all like, nobody's listening, and. Then you find out, you know, oh, wait a minute. I told him about it. I didn't, I didn't push it hard.

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I mean, I just— he, he's like, what do you do with all that computer equipment? You know, he came over one day. Yeah, podcast. What's the name of your podcast? Oh, Home Gadget Geeks. Then, I don't know, months later, I was, um, I was— what was I talking about? And he had his son listening to— I mean, it was he and Jack, his youngest, or his oldest boy.

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And yeah, Jack's like 5. And, and Jack knows me. We go out and talk all the time. And Jack asked me, he was like, Dad, what does Jim mean by— I think it was, I think it was during my prostate surgery. And so we were talking about some of those kinds of things, you know, and guy things. And Jack was like, what's, what's Jim mean when he says fill in the blank, right? Whatever it was.. And so he's telling me about this story, and then I'm like, holy crap, he's listening to my podcast all the time, my. Neighbor. So that does happen, right? That does happen. The weirdest call, and I still don't know, I can't remember the guy's name, Reggie something, but I'd started this show called Building a Better Dave, and I decided I was going to kind of work blue, right? Go a little more edgy than usual. And I— because I just started online dating, and there was an episode called "Aunt Bee Doesn't Give Me Wood," because the whole point was you'd see these awesome pictures online, and then you'd meet the person in person, and you're like, "She kind of looks like Aunt Bee." And I was, you know, making all these double entendre jokes, and a Cleveland Brown called me. And I still to this day have no idea how he got my phone number. It might have been in the days when my phone number was on my website. And he's like, hey, this is Reggie something from the Cleveland Browns. I just listened to your episode. And he goes, I've been listening.

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And he'd been listening to the School of Podcasting. And he goes, why are you working blue? And I go, what? Because number one, I'm going, what? This guy's going— he's like, yeah, man, that's not you.

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He's like, be yourself. But that's, you know— and I was like, okay. That was after I'd already done the, the Amish porn episode and a couple other ones. And he was just like, yeah, don't don't do that. And I was like, and that's. Where you're like, wow, Cleveland Brown is listening to my podcast. Isn't that crazy? Well, listen, that's a good— that is a good lesson in brand, right?

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We all have a personal brand of some kind. Yeah. And can you do a clean show and then do— we'll say, use your term— a blue show, right? Can you, can you do those? Yes. But in your case, you know, you got your Ask, you know, or your school podcasting had it's fairly clean. It's fairly— I mean, it's, you know, you don't want to embarrass somebody. They're like, oh, another show from Dave. And then like in my case with my neighbor, if all of a sudden I start cursing on the show, right? So next we're covering those kind of topics.

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You, you know, you run the risk, your brand, your listeners are expecting a certain brand from you. Yeah. If you just change that brand, can you? Sure. Should you? That's a really good question.

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A lot of people are like, "Ah, I just want to be me." But your brand is not you. That hasn't been your brand to date. And so you just have to be really, really careful, I think.

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Everything can be done. Not everything should be done. And so you're like, "I'm risking. Turning off some of my other listeners because they—" Right. And you will offend somebody if you hit, you know, there's all those, those different topics, you know, there's religion and politics and sex and etc. And you will offend. So even if you candy coat it, you know, I have, I have people like, hey, like you mentioned hot dogs and donuts, like, you know, I'm not tuning in for that. I'm like, well, this is what the person's show was about. I'm trying to explain. And I told you before I said that. Hey, if you have kids in the car, we're going to mention this. So like, I give you a good 10-second leeway to go, all right, let's listen to another podcast.

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Because I realize a lot of parents listen to podcasts on the way to the, you know, school or whatever. So yeah, that, that was just one where I was like, you never know who's listening. I remember, um, I was at an event and Michael Hyatt has a great book called Platform, um, and he had a great show. I loved the first season when it was just him, and then later brought in a co-host and it wasn't my cup of tea anymore. But I asked a question at an event because he had done a talk, and I asked him a question, and I started off the question, "I'm Dave Jackson from the School of Podcasting," of course, and, uh, asked my question. He goes, "Oh, Dave, I listen to your show." And I, I was like, Michael Hyatt listens to my show? Okay, so you never know who you're listening. In the early days of podcasting, you don't remember his name, but I think it was just called The Sales Show. It was something really obvious. And this guy got— he had been trying for years to get into this company and work with them, and he couldn't get past the gatekeeper. And then the CEO heard his show on a treadmill and invited him into the company. I was like, that's cool. In fact, he ended up getting so much business from his podcast that he had to quit the podcast. I was like, that's a good problem to have. So, but, um, I saw this one. This is kind of a 101 question, but, uh, that's not the right button, Dave. This one is. There we go. Questions about RSS. I'm new to the podcasting scene. I'm looking into starting an audio drama later this year. That's a lot of work, but that's one. The people I know that do those, Kyle Bondo, things like that, they love audio dramas.

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This has led me to doing loads of research on different platforms to promote and upload my audio drama. RSS seems to be a great option. No, it is the option. I am of the, the no RSS, no podcast school is where I come from. So It seems to be a great option overall because of its features. However, I don't fully understand it, and I have some concerns about the monetization portion of things. There we go again.

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Uh, I've listed my main questions below, and if anyone can help, I would love it. So do I have to make accounts on the platforms they release on in order to upload my podcast? For example, do I have to make a Spotify for Creators account in order to release on Spotify?

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And the answer to that is no. Spotify is a media host, but they're also an app, so you can submit your show to Spotify without actually using them as a media host. Um, does RSS take a commission fee from your earnings? If so, how much and from which platform? Answer again, no, it doesn't take anything. It's a— in the same way, I always use the analogy of radio. So with radio, you've got your DJ in a booth who went to the radio station.

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That radio station probably has a big tower in the background that puts out a frequency, so 97.5. And when you look at that frequency, it's a big old squiggly mark and doesn't make any sense to you. But when you put that into a radio, you know, music and talk come out. Well, now instead of the DJ in a booth, it's you in your spare bedroom. And instead of going to the radio station that has a frequency, you go to your media host. So we talked about Captivate, Buzzsprout, Blueberry, RSS.com, whoever. And they give you a feed. If you look at a feed, the same way that a frequency is a bunch of gobbledygook, a feed is a bunch of— it's just a wall of text.

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And when you put that not into a radio but into an app, these are now radios. Your phone is now your app, is now your radio, or Podpage, right? And we decipher all that gobbledygook, and it's there, and it's free. It's called it I know Daniel, I think there's a, I always say Real Simple Syndication and Daniel always says technically it's something different, but I always say Real Simple Syndication, so there is that. And then that, are any major differences, easy for me to say, are there any major differences between uploading a podcast to RSS and manual uploading it to every site yourself? Yes, there is. The big one is it'd take forever 'cause there are, at least 100 different apps. If you had to upload them manually, you'd go crazy. So there's that. And then, uh, so that's the beauty of it. It's you basically upload it to your media host and then they syndicate it through this feed thing. And the beautiful thing is you go to Apple— in fact, Buzzsprout and Captivate both make it almost one-click easy. I usually submit my show to Apple and Spotify manually. That way I get the extra chocolatey goodness of the stats that they give you. But, uh, it's, uh, RSS is what makes a podcast a podcast because you syndicate it every place. And the beauty of it is I have— let me, let me pull up, uh, here of, uh, let me share my screen. And okay, so, uh, because I'm doing a talk on this, like, should my show be on YouTube?

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And part of it makes it really sound like I'm pro-YouTube and other things Uh, not so much. So here are just some of the names of the places that you can list your show. So Apple, Podcast Addict, Podcast Republic, Pocket Cast, Podbean, um, Audible's— and I, I have to figure out this font is messing up on my— I have to see if this is going to work on my laptop. Dogcatcher, I think that's still around. Downcast, HiCast, Podcruncher, Podfest or Podest, Poddrama, Primecast, and then there's Castamatic. There's a bunch here I don't even have listed. Like, there are tons of apps And that's where it goes when you have an RSS feed. When you have what I will call a YouTube podcast, uh, well, it goes to YouTube and YouTube Music. That's the big difference. So if I'm here and I get kicked off of Podcruncher, I can still go to all these other apps.

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If I'm on YouTube and I get kicked off of YouTube, you can kind of go to Rumble if you want to, but Rumble has nowhere near that. So that's one of the, uh, the big thing. So, um, we have a rich site summary. There you go, somebody said that's what it stands for. Um, Daniel says, uh, change it to really simple syndication and no longer RDF site summary or rich site summary. So yeah, it's— to me, the big one is syndication. That's what we're looking at. So, uh, that's the big advantage of an RSS feed. I mean, I just— it's Really weird. I watched on HBO. So here again, why am I telling you about this? It was disturbing to watch, uh, Alex Jones vs. The Truth on HBO because 24% of the country— so this is one of those things where if you can open with a really like, what kind of stat, that's, that's a good way to start a presentation. 24% of America believe that Sandy Hook was faked. And you're like, you know, really? Some of that guy— and that guy's an actor and all this other stuff. And but, uh, Alex Jones still has a show. You can still listen to Alex Jones' podcast because he has an RSS feed. And he was kicked off of a bunch— he was deplatformed. But because he has an RSS feed— and I'm not saying he's a good guy, I'm just pointing out the technology works that you kind of can't get canceled. Even if you get kicked off of a media host, you can host your own if you wanted to, if you got that. So, um, and, um, Ralph says Rumble's actually growing. Well, yeah, because, um, there were, uh, the Thinkific people— they're a great YouTube channel about YouTube— and they pointed out that there were two shows that got demonetized. They didn't get kicked off the platform, they got demonetized. And they were making $30,000 a month, and they just went, nope, no money for you. And they kind of explain it— part of it is AI. They're like, the way you make your show, like if you batch record, and all of a sudden YouTube— which I'm assuming, so this is an assumption— I'm assuming YouTube is using AI to police AI. And if it looks like you're mass-producing these shows in a way that a human couldn't keep up, they might actually flag your show. But those are two people, they're like, they can, you know, go all they want. So I loved what they said, the, the folks from Thinkific. They said use YouTube as a distribution channel, not like— if you can monetize it, great, but use it to sell other stuff so that they can't— they don't have control besides kicking you off your channel. So, um Yeah, John says, "I love ads for the class to make you a certified podcast producer." You can pay— there's a guy, he's a friend of mine, that you can pay him $1,000 to be a certified podcast consultant. So, Jim, I now dub thee— you are now a certified podcast consultant. Thank you. I will print this out. I think I have some extra paper lying around. I'll print out a certificate. You can hang it on the wall behind. You. You are— it's so— okay, um. But that $7 will get me a cup of coffee at Starbucks. That's it. You give them $100, and now look, if that's what you need to feel confident, I get it. I'm just here to tell you, when I started in 2005 and I was interviewing, uh, Bob Baker, who is the godfather of music marketing— if you watch the movie School of Rock, his book is on Jack Black's desk. And I asked him, I said, how did you become a guru? And he said, well, I knew how to write and I'd been in bands all my life, so I just started writing about it. And he goes, and people started reading it, and so I wrote more, and then more people read it and this and that. He goes, so you just kind of have to, you know— he goes, why? And I go, well, I said, you know, I'm getting into this podcasting thing. And I think he picked up a pencil, probably in his cup on his desk, and went, okay, Dave, boop, you're, you're a podcast guru. And I'm like, oh, I didn't realize that's all it took. So, you know, and sometimes not being a guru is kind of handy because then you get to listen to somebody go through the process of like, hey, I'm trying to learn how to whittle, you know, so I'm, I've got my knife and I've got my stick, you know, and then you get to watch them figure out how it is. So, uh, but John says, yeah, you give them $150 and they give you a piece of paper with a gold seal There you go. Exciting. Um, let's see what else is going on in the chat room here. Randy says, I published episode 80 of Bible Bytes today. Just wanted to shout out my own milestone. Well, there you go. 80. That's 80. That's a lot.

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A lot of people don't make it past 7. So, uh, and John says, I like Rumble more than YouTube. Um, we were talking about money. Before. Uh, Jim, you did something with Google AdSense. Yeah, I did. So I was going back through, you know, end of the year, you start looking at all your money sources, right? It was Amazon and, and, um, Patreon for tax, for tax reasons. And then I was like, oh yeah, what about the Google AdSense? And I don't— so I never made a lot on Google AdSense, and it was okay, but something, uh, led me to go out to my site in incognito mode. Now because I always go to it as signed in as me, doesn't serve me the ads when I'm, when I'm going to my own site. And, um, and so I looked at it, I'm like, is this what, what's happened? Has someone, has someone hacked my site? Like, what is happening here? I had to go look.

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Well, it was just, I kind of turned on AdSense full blast, kind of like, well, maybe a year or two ago, like, well, I'll just see what happens. Well, it's unreadable. Like, I was like, this is awful. So yeah, I just took them all off. I was like, for the— I make a dollar a month, maybe, maybe a little bit more. Um, I was like, I don't know if it's worth it for my user experience to be— now, as soon as I've done that, that my traffic has plummeted to it, which makes it interesting, right? I mean, you can see the day I took the ads off and it the traffic just plummets. And so I'm okay. Listen, I'm okay with that. I'm— listen, I'm okay with that. I mean, I also had a theory when I turned the ads off on YouTube back in the day that if numbers started dipping because I didn't have ads on the site, right? Of course, because they make the most money off those things. So it was, you know, but I have a better— you know, if you go to theaverageguy.tv, I think now it's just crazy how that plummeted. You I think you get a little bit better of experience. It's fairly mostly ad-free. I have my own embedded ads. I have my own things on there. Maple Grove Partners is on there, and I have an affiliate link for Amazon on there and some of those other things. But yeah, it was— I just, I wanted to make it, Dave. I was like, no, my users are better than this. You know, the folks who are coming to my site, they're better than this. They don't, they don't need the ads. And AdSense is terrible with that.

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Like, if you'd surfed something that day, maybe you were on Amazon looking for something, then all of a sudden all those ads show up. Even if you bought the thing, then you start seeing ads for. Everything. So I went cold turkey, just cut them off. I had a Podpage customer that you can put in AdSense into Podpage, and I think it puts it in 3 different places. And then he had gone in because you can add like custom things to Podpage. And one of the custom things he added twice was AdSense. And so he asked me something about, I think it was newsletter signups. And I was like, dude, I can't even find your newsletter signup because I'm getting smacked over the head with so many ads. And I go, just so you know, I'm like, it's up to you, you know? And he was like, I'm just trying to eat, man.

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This is how I make my money. I'm like, okay, I'm just letting you know as a user experience, like if I went to that site, I'd be like, 'cause there are some, and they get me all the time on Facebook. They'll be like, oh, you know, Paul McCartney did this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, full story here. And then you click on it, and before the page is even loaded, you've got a pop-up or two or five, you know, and then finally the story. And you're like, oh, this is just AI slop. And I'm like, yep, but they got me to click on it. And it makes me so mad. But it's— there are those sites that I didn't even try to look for the story because I've been hit by literally like 5, 6 ads before the story even loads. And I'm like, okay, you got.

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Me. Congrats, enjoy your, you know, 0.0012 cents, you know, whatever. It's. Crazy.

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It's not worth it in my, in my book. It's just not in your book right now. If I was getting whatever, 100,000. Views a month, that might be different, but I still wouldn't do it. I still wouldn't do it. I think the user experience is important. Now, if I need to monetize it, I do it in different ways. Yeah, it's not, not just not the Google AdSense just vomiting all over your site. And, you know, and there's— listen, it's not all or nothing with Google AdSense, right? You can go in there and say, right, I want vignettes, or I want this, or I want that. You can kind of control it. But I was just kind of like, like, it doesn't match the brand. The ads don't match the brand. They don't.

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So if I were going to do it in the future, if I was going to go heavy— and I try not to go heavy on the ads on that site, I would self-host, so to speak, or I would host read if we're going to— if we're going to use it in the podcast sense. And I just put my own ads on there, right? I would sign contracts to do things with other people to say, and then I'd put their ad on there where I can control it. I can control the look of it. I know where it's going to be. They know how they're going to get it. So that's just— I think it's just a better way. It's like the old banner ad days. Those banner ads were. Terrible. Yeah, you know, you're just like, uh, I don't know.

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So that's just— well, that's where I used to use affiliate stuff instead of banner ads. I would be like a— it'd still be a banner ad, but it'd be for something that I hand-picked for my audience. And if somebody actually, you know, clicked and bought something, I, I far out-earned any kind of amount of income that would have come from the banner ad. So they were hand-selected I think I had a WordPress plugin that would rotate images in so it wasn't always the same ad, that kind of stuff. 'Cause the experience, that's where I feel bad. I'm listening to a few shows and I know these are friends of mine that make a living from ads and they're having to cram. Well, first they added more episodes 'cause more episodes means more ads. And now they're starting to put in more ads. It used to be, oh, here's one here, maybe one there. And now it's like, here's two here, two in the middle, two towards the end, and then two posts. And I'm like, it's starting to, um, you know, ruin the experience of the show. It's like every 10 minutes, it's like Joe Rogan, you know, they got to get their $200 million back, so I get it. But the— they're having some robot do it, and it'll be like mid-sentence, and all of a sudden he's talking about Athletic. Greens. And I'm like, ugh. So It's, uh, which is sad because you could— I mean, think about how much money they're making off that show. You could hire a real person to just insert those ads. Like, let's be creative about it. Pay, you know, pay somebody to put those ads in the right place, you. Know? Yeah, it doesn't have to be a robot. Yeah.

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Uh, Todd the Gator says, I worry about the future of podcasting when you're bullied with ads in 10% of the show. There's— they reported a, uh, true crime show was 34% ads. And I'm like, kids, radio is 30, and that's horrendous. I go, the fact that we're going past radio— I'm, I'm like, I don't mind 10% of, of a show. Like, to me, that's like, okay. I'd have to see, uh, did we— we thanked our awesome— I have to go back and see how long it takes us to thank our awesome supporters and see what that is. So we have a minute left. Yeah, yeah. Like Yeah, uh, but I, I know we're nowhere near 10% because it's a 90-minute show.

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So it's, to me, when we go over that, like, 10%, that I— when it just starts, you know, I watched, uh, Hallmark movies and they were 30%, and I was like, this is, you know, at one point I watched 7 minutes of a movie and then 4 minutes of ads, and I was like, but I can pay them, I think it's $7 a month and get Hallmark Plus, which occasionally has cross-promotions but no actual ads. And I was like, oh, it's the old YouTube strategy. I will annoy you to giving you— to giving me money to make the— but you have to have really strong content for that to work. So yeah, um, yeah, L. Circe here says ad loads on podcasts is getting out of hand. Yep. So I think we're going to see more people doing the crowdfunding Patreon kind things. So anyway, Jim, what is coming. Up on, um, Home Gadget Geeks?

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I know this for sure, not a lot of ads on Home Gadget Geeks, that's for sure. Andrew Morris, OG host way back from the very beginning. You know, we've done 671 episodes of that show now. He goes back all the way to one.

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Got a family, you know, Dave, you said it, you're right, babies are the number one cause of stopping, of not doing podcasts anymore. He had a couple kids years ago now and left the podcast, but so he comes back from time to time. So he had moved to Brisbane. We talked a little bit about solar. We had some conversations about UniFi and Ubiquiti, and it's just an all-around good show. It's posted now if you want to check it. Out. You can homegadgetgeeks.com, which is on Podpage. There you go. And on the School of Podcasting, it's a listener request. Back when I did Dave's Kitchen, somebody said, I wish you would do a deep dive into editing. And I've kind of done this in the past, but I found some new examples. And we're talking how to edit for content, we're talking about what is, you know, compression and things like that. And then at the end, I compare the new voice regen versus studio sound and Descript versus this and that. That's all coming up on the School of Podcasting. We're here next Saturday. I'll be talking about what happened in Nashville. I'll be slightly tired, so Jim, bring extra coffee. And, uh, we'll see you next. Week with another episode of Ask the Podcast.