Aug. 30, 2025

From Troubleshooting ThinkBot to Choosing the Perfect Android Podcast App

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Ever wondered what's lurking in your podcast stats? This week, we tackle a mysterious surge in ThinkBot downloads that has creators scratching their heads. When this web crawler suddenly outpaces even Apple Podcasts in your analytics, it's time to investigate—and we'll walk you through exactly what to do when bots inflate your numbers.

For Android users struggling to find their perfect podcast companion, we compare the top apps with Pocket Casts emerging as our favorite for its seamless cross-device synchronization. Whether you're listening on your phone, tablet, or desktop, we explain how to create the most satisfying listening experience without getting lost between devices.

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00:39 - Episode Introduction and Greetings

02:32 - Podcast Branding.co

03:41 - BasedOnATrueStoryPodcast.com

06:15 - ThinkBot Question from Jill

09:46 - Android Podcast App Recommendations

18:51 - AI Content Discussion

31:30 - ReadWise Tool and Content Discovery

38:35 - Best Podcast Media Hosting Options

41:01 - Can You Move Your Show Too Much?

49:04 - Value for Value Podcasting Challenges

57:23 - Thanks to Supporters

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57:59 - TryPodpage.com

58:22 - Home Gadget Geeks

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Ask the Podcast Coach for August 30th 2025.

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Let's get ready to podcast.

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There it is.

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It's that music.

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That means it's Saturday.

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It's time for Ask the Podcast Coach, where you get your podcast questions answered live.

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I'm Dave Jackson from theschoolofpodcastingcom, and joining me right over there is the one and only jim cullison from the average guy dot tv.

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Jim, how's it going, buddy?

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greetings, dave.

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Happy saturday morning to you.

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Happy like I think it's international pancake day or something like that wow everybody should be having pancakes today but anyway, we're here.

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We're here today, I already see that I'm rocking and rolling in the chat room.

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Good morning and happy saturday morning to.

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It is.

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And August is toast.

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It's just toast.

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It's like I looked at it and I was like, wait, like I know, it's Labor Day weekend here in the States and it's just weird to think that, like you know, new Year's Eve was like last week and now summer is over.

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It's feeling Christmas is already here, like if you haven't done your christmas shopping there's no time left.

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That's about I didn't see halloween stuff out.

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I'm like, guys, we have august, september and october and I'm like got two months till halloween and this stuff is already out what's the store that pops up in in broken down malls and shopping centers that have empty?

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oh something yeah, what's the name of that?

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you can always tell it's fall when that thing pops up and uh you're like, oh wow, the cvs went out of business and then like, oh wait, there's a store in there.

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It's, you know, halloween central.

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Yeah, something like that obviously I care a lot about it, but you're like, oh, falls on its way.

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It's football started that too this week.

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And of course, what is it?

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The pumpkin latte Pumpkin.

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spice latte Latte yes.

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Yeah, so that's always you know.

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But you know what's better than a pumpkin spice latte?

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That's it, that's right.

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Fresh cup of coffee.

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There you go, and that is brought to you by, and I'm going to bring up the slides, and they're not ready.

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Dave was doing other things this morning and we're still on the last slide.

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So I'm going to go backwards now before I hit the music, cause I want to wait where okay, yeah, there we go, that um coffee pours brought to you by our good friend Mark over at podcast brandingco, cause you know they're going to see you before they hear you and I see a lot, a lot of bad artwork that just we don't need your face.

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In many cases we don't need a microphone.

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You know, I don't know who told you that green text on a brown background or blue background is that's another one, blue and green.

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No, you need somebody who's been a graphic artist for a while, that knows what works.

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He makes really pretty stuff, whether it's your artwork, whether it's your full website, whether it's a PDF or a PowerPoint.

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He's been podcasting for quite some time, which is also an added bonus that you don't have to explain to him what a podcast is.

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You basically tell him what your show is about and he'll meet with you one-on-one.

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You're not going to get that from a guy on Fiverr and he's going to make you look amazing.

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So when you're ready to look good, go over to podcastbrandingco and tell him Dave and Jim sent you.

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Big thanks to our good friend, dan Lefebvre over there, based on a true story based on truestorypodcastcom.

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Couple weeks ago dan was in chat and he said no podcast is released on my site until it's ready, until it's time, and so last week we talked about amelia, this week we'll talk about amelia.

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It's still out there, still available for you.

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I mentioned last week.

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I love his cover art.

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He always tries to.

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He takes, you know, cover art for the movie and then makes his own version of it, which is super cool.

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Sometimes it's strikingly close, other times it's a take on it.

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If you're kind of interested, if you're thinking about cover art or art in general for your podcast, it might be worth popping out there and taking a look at what he does.

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And you can check it out today, based on a true story based on truestorypodcastcom.

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And, of course, as always, dan, thanks for your sponsorship and for just coming out and being a part of the chat room each and every week.

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Yeah, I was at the movies last night, another horrendous experience filled with gallons of ads.

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But there was one new movie called Eden by Ron Howard and it actually looked pretty good and of course it said based on a true story, and I was like, oh, as soon as I hear that phrase, now, dan, dan, just comes into my brain and yeah, the thing we were looking for is Spirit Halloween.

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Yeah, that is the name of the store that pops up.

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Spirit Halloween.

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It just seems to like.

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It seems to go in overnight Like yeah, it was a Cracker Barrel Speaking.

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That's a whole other topic.

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It was a Cracker Barrel yesterday, today.

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Spirit Halloween.

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You know.

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You're like, how did that?

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How does that happen so fast?

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They just they kind of just grow in that way.

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So anyways, yeah, do we want to talk about Cracker Barrel?

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No, no.

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That's the only lesson no, yeah, cause that's that's, that's just a big cow.

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Yeah, you know it's got all kinds of implications, that's true.

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Like we can go.

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So actually, you know what I have.

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Instead, we have voicemail.

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That's right.

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We actually got an actual question and this is from Jill from flamealivepodcom.

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She is an awesome supporter and she has this question.

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Hey Dave and Jim.

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It is Jill from Keep the Flame Alive.

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I was doing the one thing we're not supposed to do, which is look at podcast stats, and we've got Libsyn.

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I noticed something really weird this month.

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We've had a nice bump in terms of downloads, but in terms of user agents, thinkbot topped Apple Podcasts this month and ThinkBot accounted for about 25% of our show's downloads this month.

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If you compare it to last month, thinkbot was between one and 2%.

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So I had never heard of ThinkBot, tried to do a little research, didn't find a whole lot, but it seems like it's some kind of web crawler bot.

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What do you all know about it?

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And if it's a bot like, how do we think about downloads from it in terms of actual listener numbers?

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Thanks so much for all you guys do.

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I really love this show?

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Thank you, jill.

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Yeah, this is one.

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First, I would reach out to Libsyn and go hey, we got a bot and, for whatever reason, iab is not blocking it yet or whatever.

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And I tried to do some research.

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I went to a bunch of very nerdy sites and no one could either say yay or nay on, is this absolutely bad?

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Now, if it's above Apple, that to me is a humongous red flag that this is probably not real.

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Everything I read about it was it is some sort of web crawler, but like, okay, you know, google's a web crawler, so it's something, whatever it was, went a little haywire, cause I usually, if it's a bad crawler, you can find info on the internet that says, yeah, this is, this is not great, it's fake, it's whatever it is, and so I couldn't find anything like that.

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But everybody, even I, went to Perplexity and Perplexity was like, well, it's kind of a thing, it's a web crawler, but it's definitely a bot.

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Now, the thing that sucks about that is now, if you're dealing in a situation, maybe with sponsors and they want an accurate number of your stats, you have to go into Libsyn, and I think this is only available on the $20 plan.

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You have to download your stats and do it by user agent and then remove that one because those aren't real, which sucks.

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But this happens from time to time where something it is the whack-a-mole and it is the mole that got through the whack, and so I would let the guys at Libsyn know and they can go in and either tweak their system or alert the IAB or whatever needs to be done.

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But yeah, and you're not the only one, when I was researching, there were a lot of people like, hey, what is this ThinkBot?

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Because it just sounds like some sort of new AI tool, right, which is probably what it is, who knows.

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It probably is, but it was very weird and it was like hmm, so I wish it could be more help, but there's just, whatever it is, it's new and there's not enough info on it, and that's kind of the problem.

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The other thing we got another question in from our good friend, kim Kradge, and I think my answer works.

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But, jim, are you an iPhone or an Android person?

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I am an iPhone person.

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Yeah, see, I'm no help either.

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I'm an iPhone, Because she's like what is a great podcast app for Android?

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And I think she said she tried Spotify and things.

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That's what I said.

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Pocket Cast.

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I said because I love me some Pocket Cast.

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That's the one that I recommended.

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If anybody else is on an Android and knows one that works, you know there are all the.

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There's the podcasting 2.0 stuff.

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So Podcast Guru, I know, works on everything, but Pocket Cast is my favorite app period at this point, no matter what you're on.

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And the biggest thing I love about it is DR says Unite Droid Droidnoids.

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Yes, the thing I love about Pocket Cast it's a little pricey compared to other ones.

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It's like I want to say $30 or $40 a year.

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But I love the fact that I can be listening on my computer and then pick up my phone, go to the kitchen and hit play and it picks up right where I left off.

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I don't know how it does it that quickly.

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And then if I go back to my computer and forget that I have the app running and I go to the web-based version and I hit play, it picks up right where I left off.

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It's somehow always synchronizing, which would be a lot for any kind of server, but if I remember right, I think they're owned by WordPress now, so they've got some teeth behind it.

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Randy Black says Podhome just put out a new, really solid app.

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I've heard a lot about it and they have a page where they're showing Podping, which is that thing that basically is always checking or is alerting people that there's a new episode.

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And yeah, yeah, stephanie says pod news gave out premium trials last year and she's really been enjoying pocket cast.

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Jody Crangle says you can create folders and I have it for free and I use it on my desktop too.

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Yeah, it's pocket cast.

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It's in the top five.

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It's usually us, it's usually Apple, then Spotify, then Overcast and then Pocket Cast and then maybe Podbean, which is always weird.

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But Podbean Overcast is iOS only, though, right.

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That is true.

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So it's.

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Cast-o-matic is another fun one.

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It's kind of the 2.0 kind of app, but it's only iOS.

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So that's the problem is you need one.

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So for me it's Pocket Casts.

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And even if I had like I have an Android tablet, in theory I could install Pocket Casts on that on my Android.

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Hit play, listen to three minutes, hit stop, pull up my iPhone and pick up right where I left off.

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Yeah, stephanie says I might pay for it, though it's really nice.

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My favorite feature, because I'm always wanting to put bookmarks in like Ooh, I need to come back or I need to talk about this on the show or whatever.

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When I do a the podcast hot seat, I listen in.

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I find the episode you want me to listen to and then I can go in and put bookmarks where I want to give you a note about oh, this was really good.

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Oh, this was really good.

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Okay, I got confused here.

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I use that.

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Danny from Captivate checked out.

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Podhome Developer clearly doesn't know.

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Canada is a big podcast listening and producing country.

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Not in its country drop-downs.

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Oh, that's yeah.

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Hello, well, it's new, you know everything.

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Like I went and played with the oh, I forget the name of it now.

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But blueberry came out with a guest hosting thing where you know it's basically a dating app for podcasters where you, you find guests.

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And when they released it at podcast movement it wasn't bad.

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It was like every other you know guest matching service.

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But there were parts of it that I was like yeah, and I was like that is the first week of being live, so you know, you gotta sometimes give them a little bit of a break I miss the old days.

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Uh, spreaker, had you could, you could buy your own app from them, like they built this.

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They had like a templated app right and you could.

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You could buy one for for ios and for android and then put it.

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They'd put it in the store.

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You had to create a developer account, some other things to make it work.

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I think it was 100 bucks a year per app or something like that, and I did that for a couple years.

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You know I got I don't know 25, 30, 40, 50 people to listen to it that years.

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You know I got I don't know 25, 30, 40, 50 people to listen to it that way through, you know, through the app.

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But it was an option for folks who didn't.

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You know, if you have a podcast that is fairly niche-y or it's in an audience that may not be podcast app savvy like we're talking about right now.

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So this is what kind of reminded me of that.

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You know, if my mom wanted to listen to the podcast, you know you're like, well, you go buy pocket casts.

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No, my mom's not going to pay for pocket casts, right?

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Or you know, even even on iOS it's a little bit easier.

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On Android it's kind of a nightmare to find the right you know, to find the right podcast app.

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So it was it.

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For me it was.

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Was it worth it, I don't know, but it for me it was.

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Was it worth it, I don't know, but for me it was interesting to have my own app.

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And that may be something depending on how big your podcast is, how much money you want to spend, but that may be something where you consider having someone write an app for you and the podcast gets embedded and then you could also deliver other things to them that way.

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So again, depends on your audience, depends what you're trying to do, it depends on the community you're trying to make.

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Certainly, we live in an age where making an app is not that hard anymore and you can probably pay somebody to do it pretty quick.

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So it'd be a consideration, I think, maybe.

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Yeah, we don't talk about that very much of having your own app for your podcast where people could go in and listen to it.

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We spent a bunch of time at Gallup talking about this.

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We haven't done it yet, but it might.

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For you, it might be worth it.

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So take a look at it, think that through, instead of you know again just giving you would.

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You could just deliver the podcast through it, but I think you'd want to deliver other things as well to keep the audience engaged in what they're listening to.

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So just another option.

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Yeah, rich Graham says can Pocket Cast do playlists?

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What they do is you make folders and then what's cool is you can say this podcast is in my marketing folder and then I can go into the marketing folder and easily see what shows have new episodes.

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I don't know, that's because I liked Castmatic and the other one that's always number three that I can't remember Overcast.

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I like their playlist ability.

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But folders kind of work like that, the thing I like, because I wasn't.

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There seems to be two schools of thought.

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Either you have playlists or you have a queue, and so with Pocket Cash you kind of have folders and I believe if I'm in the marketing folder and I click on a marketing episode, I think the next thing that come up will be another.

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You know something from that folder, so that acts like a playlist.

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I need to double check on that, but I have.

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You can go into a folder and say, hey, when this one comes out, download it.

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And then there's a next level that says add it to the queue, basically add it to up next.

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And so if you're kind of my top string like I must listen to this episode, it goes into the up next queue and then, if that ever runs dry, and it does occasionally, but not very often.

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I will go into, like, what am I in the mood for?

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Oh, let's go listen to politics.

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I'll go listen to Jen Briney Actually, jen Briney's in the up next one, but you get the idea.

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So it's a little bit of both.

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But I just you know, for me I'm really picky about apps and I liked Overcast for the longest time.

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I went back after they rebranded well, not rebranded, but redid their interface and I was kind of like and the fact that Marco is kind of a weird dude, he won't, he had the link for the funding tag, so there's a little dollar sign, you could have people go to your PayPal, and then he took it out because he was afraid of Apple.

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And then the whole Apple thing went through, where now you know, different courts have kind of stopped them from taking, being so aggressive on things, and I'm like, good, so Marco's probably going to put the funding tag back and he hasn't, and he's just he's, it's his app, he can do what he wants.

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But it was just a guy who was like you know what.

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And then I went to Castomatic, which is so close to Overcast, that I thought Marco had a lawsuit ready and that one was fine, except occasionally it would just pause.

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You'd be in the shower and you're like listening to you know Pod News Week of Review, and all of a sudden it just stopped and you'd be like and finally I learned I could say hey, woman on the iPhone, resume Pocket Cast, and that would do it.

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But it was just weird.

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It would just stop for no reason.

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And this is after I like all my episodes are downloaded.

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I'm like I don't want to have to stream anything.

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Put it on my phone.

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I got plenty of room.

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Daniel says Marco never actually supported the real funding tag.

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He had a custom thing that would figure it out before the funding tag even existed.

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Yeah, that's why I always thought it was weird that he had this thing.

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He loved the idea and I'm like well, now that there's something built into the namespace, you know.

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Yeah, dan says you can create a filter in PocketCast that function basically like a playlist.

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There you go.

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So it is the best of both worlds.

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So hope that helps, kim.

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I wanted to share something I got to hang out with awesome supporter Shane Whaley.

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I was at the Content Creator Expo in Cleveland this week, which was interesting because I just got home from Podcast Movement, spent a couple nights in my bed and then last year I did the thing where I would drive home at the end of the night and then wake up really early to drive back and then you'd stay for the party and then I was like that killed me.

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So I stayed in Cleveland but Shane was telling me about readwiseio and what this is.

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If you're a big Kindle reader, which I am, it will take your highlights and email them to you.

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In fact I have one on my screen here and so it's.

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And this is free, they have a free, they have a paid version, but like from Pat Flynn's book Superfans with your audience and make them feel special.

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So these are just things I've highlighted.

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Alone in the desert then with a quarrelsome complaining wife that's from the one in your Bible, the Christian atheist.

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So stop worrying and taking advantage of what he's offering.

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Do what you can.

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It's a bunch of Jesus stuff and that'll turn people off like nobody's business.

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But it's basically saying but here something from our buddy David Hooper from the Big Podcast book.

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If you're concerned about keeping up a release schedule, but not sure there are enough quality guests to interview on your podcast, either change your release schedule to something you can deliver on or learn how to do solo or co-hosted episodes that don't require guests.

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And so it's kind of a I don't know what's.

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At the bottom.

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You have 27 days left of your ReadWise trial, so I'm not sure what happens when the free version is over.

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But Shane was just saying it's so cool because you're like oh, I totally forgot about that book, or it keeps it, basically reinforces what you've learned, because you kind of forget about it.

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And there was some guy at the very end that is a major SEO player.

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He had some interesting, he had an interesting take.

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He said and this is kind of I saw this work in real life, which is the more people that know you the better.

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And he said because Google already has lost a lot of its integrity right, because there's so many ads on the top, I'm just looking for some Because Google became popular, because Netscape and Hotbot and all these other ones Google just gave you.

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I didn't have to search this month.

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They gave me great answers, and that is not the case anymore with Google.

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So less people are using it.

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They give me great answers, and that is not the case anymore with Google, so less people are using it.

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And he said AI, he goes.

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What's interesting about it is it gives you decent answers, it's giving you links.

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He goes.

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But the fun thing is like he goes some of this stuff.

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They don't know how it came up with the answer.

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He goes with Google.

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If people start gaming the system, they can change the algorithm and it makes everybody mad.

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But it does again with the goal of having the good stuff come to the top.

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He goes.

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You can't tweak AI.

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He goes because they don't know how it's coming up with the answer and he goes.

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So eventually people will get tired of and this one I'm not sure of.

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But he was basically saying AI doesn't give good enough answers and I'm like I don't know about that.

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He goes and we're going to go back to what we used to do, which is just ask your friend.

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And I was like maybe that's why when I go to Reddit, that everybody's asking the same five questions because they don't trust it.

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But I was like I'm not sure I'm buying that, but it was maybe some truth in all of that, right?

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I mean, there may be little bits of truth, I think.

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Sometimes, when we talk about those topics, we're like it's always going to be this way or it's going, you know, and it's never 100 percent anything, right, it's always kind of you've got folks.

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I love the.

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We ask the same five questions because we want to get some validation from humans.

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But you know, like we talk about host providers, right?

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That question used to be kind of relevant who's the best host provider?

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Well, they're all pretty similar now, like, they have variations and you should check them out to make sure you're getting the one that's best for you, right?

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But so we ask each other because if you ask the ai's, you get a bunch of garbage, that's.

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I just went to one of these today, as we were talking about podcast players, I was like I wonder what you know, I wonder what the, what the internet is saying about podcast players today.

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So, of course, you do a search on it and you get the top 25 podcast players for 2025, right, you know it's an ad machine right, you get there and then you look at the, you look at the, the, the, the print, and you're like, oh, this is obviously written by the person who's number one, or you know right, or whatever.

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So then you know, you go to the, you can ask the AIs that I think.

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Think today, right now, is maybe the best time to ever get the best answer from AI that it's ever going to be, because you may be saying it's not honest now, and there's probably some truth to that too, but it's only going to get worse.

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It never gets better, it's only going to get worse.

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From those, dave, we're always going to need a combination of all of them.

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Listen, certainly there's times when Google search is helpful.

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Still, there's times when the AI is super helpful, and then there's times when people are actually helpful.

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Yeah, still there's times when the ai is super helpful and then there's times when people are actually helpful, yeah.

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So I don't think it's not like your friend's gonna have any bias and like, well, that's it.

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We'd ask you, and you, at the time you worked for lipson, right, and you say, well, I don't, you know, I don't, you know, this is me.

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Well, is it you?

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I mean, yes, you could say that dave, but is it now?

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I know you, so I know it always be an honest answer.

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But the the, you know, but we do, even when we want to give what we think is unbiased answers, we're biased and you just can't.

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You can't, can't get away from it.

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Anybody who says I'm reviewing this unit and I bought it, so I'm not biased, okay, all those things are true.

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It and I bought it, so I'm not biased, okay, all those things are true, but you're, you're still terribly biased.

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So we all, we all come with biases, right, it's just part of the gig.

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So, yes, we can say it and we can try and all those other kinds of things, but at the end of the day, there's certain things we like, there's certain things we don't like.

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Yeah, jody says, yeah, jody says.

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So much AI slop on the internet.

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Right now, youtube is becoming an AI ad dumping ground.

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Yeah.

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At the event, this one guy said that AWS, so Amazon, who hosts a lot of websites, and I don't know what else they monitor, who knows but they said that 57% of new content is generated by AI, and so that was the big takeaway and you'll hear me talk about this in two weeks on the School of Podcasting is lean into your humanness.

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We've said this before Stories be yourself, because that's what sets you apart, because everybody else, it's going to be weird.

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That's what sets you apart, because everybody else, it's going to be weird.

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If you're in the, you know, if you're in the business of selling information, getting the information is not going to be hard.

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I mean it's.

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You know we can always say, just go to Google, but it's going to be interesting to see.

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Just you know if, again, is the information you're getting from Claude going to be something?

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Because everybody's in the chat room has been saying, yeah, those things hallucinate all the time and you know they, they kind of just make stuff up.

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In fact, craig, another awesome supporter and member of the School of Podcasting, dr Craig Van Slyke, does AI Goes to College and he was talking about how, in some cases, the longer AI goes on, it just starts making up stuff and it was a really interesting article.

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It's on his sub stack.

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I'll put a link in the show notes after I find it later.

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But it was a really interesting read where you're like, oh okay, that's not good.

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You know what I mean when it just starts making stuff up.

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Well, just remember, right, ai is's.

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We'll go back to the old tool analogy, right, and ai is a hammer and if you're trying to use it as a screwdriver, it's not going to work for you.

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And I think some folks are approaching ai today or like they're trying to make it do things that are best for a screwdriver and not a hammer, and then they're like, well, this thing doesn, this thing doesn't work.

00:26:44.788 --> 00:26:52.084
So just remember, I mean it's a language model, right, they're really really, really good at writing, for sure.

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They're really good at editing.

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They're great at I should say better at translations, things that have to do with words.

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Some of the models have been tuned for math and code, and so when you go into those models, you know you can give it specific problems associated with code.

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Let's just say some of those.

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And then there's a whole new brand of relational models that they're building.

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Microsoft's a part of this.

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Grok actually has a little bit of this kind of built into it where they're kind of tuning them to be relational right in the way they speak to you and the way they engage with you.

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Those are fairly interesting.

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In the early days you mentioned Craig in the.

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You know the longer you would go In the early days.

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That was a very big problem, like three or four years ago.

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They would go off the rails.

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I've had Dave, I've had long, long sessions with these things and have gotten really good results so far, so I think that part is getting better.

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They have figured out how to extend these conversations in some regard to make sure they don't get a little wacky on you, whether they're resetting them in the background or I.

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You know, I don't know, I don't know what the magic is on that one, but they are getting, interestingly, I think, better.

00:28:10.673 --> 00:28:12.785
So, for information and some of those kinds of things.

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Listen, they are definitely holding them back, right.

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I mean, I think they learned from the first round of AI that we did, where they had some social problems with them.

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I think they've learned that you got to put some guardrails on them.

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So there's certain things you can't do with them, certain queries they can't send, they keep them from, like if you said, go search the entire internet.

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No, they're not, that's not going to be allowed.

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That would consume more bandwidth, right, some of those kinds of things.

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So certainly some of them have limitations.

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And then here's what I'm finding too the prompts matter, right, some of those kinds of things.

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So certainly some of them have limitations.

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And then here's what I'm finding too the prompts matter, right, and prompt engineering matters.

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And I get lazy sometimes in my prompt engineering and I'm like well, why can't you bring back the Magna Carta from the?

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two words I gave you.

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It's like well okay, no, I probably need to be a little bit smarter about my prompting.

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I did a query this week where I dropped two Excel spreadsheets in there and I wanted to compare them, and not just a simple comparison.

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But we wanted to go across multiple fields in the spreadsheet and not all of them were named the same and some of them required some fuzzy logic.

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Now, this would have been if I would have had to write code to do this.

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Should have been a good afternoon of code writing to get all for me anyways, to get maybe other, maybe you guys listening could do it in five minutes, but for me that was going to take a while.

00:29:36.961 --> 00:29:40.068
So what was interesting, dave, is I put it in, put the two in.

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I told it what things were and then I told it where the joins were.

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I said, hey, this column should equal this column and some of these kinds of things.

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And then, as I started writing the query, it was like yeah, no, you don't let's.

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Do you want me to do it this way?

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I'm like yeah, so it did it.

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And then it came back and it told me what it did and it said you know, we, here's the results.

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We might want to think through this.

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As far as the way this is constructed and it took me I don't know 45 minutes probably to work through that to where I got all the results boiled down to the way I wanted to, but the prompts on the backside of me helping me build the prompt were what's most important.

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I think I said this on the show If you get a chance in your bot to, or whatever you're using to say, make sure you're prompting me at the end of this, giving me ideas of how to write better prompts.

00:30:27.446 --> 00:30:31.111
That can be sometimes can be really really helpful to you.

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It will give you clues on how you could have written that prompt better to get better results out of it, so make sure you're using it, too, to help you.

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It will give you clues on how you could have written that prompt better to get better results out of it, so make sure you're using it, too, to help you.

00:30:39.343 --> 00:30:48.942
It'll give you clues to how to code with it so that you can give it the proper prompt, because, as Stephanie said, prompts do matter in this case and it can't read your mind.

00:30:48.942 --> 00:30:54.083
I sometimes get frustrated with it because I'm like can't you just understand what I'm trying to do?

00:30:54.083 --> 00:30:55.807
It's like no, it's like an intern.

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You got to tell it exactly what to do, otherwise it's not going to be able to get it done.

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Yeah, one of the things I like Magi about besides the fact that it gives me access to chat GPT and it's got a built-in bunch of custom GPTs is I can write in a prompt and then click a button and it will look at my prompt and then say, oh, let me rewrite this for you so that you're giving you know the tool the best kind of thing.

00:31:24.528 --> 00:31:25.880
Yeah, that's really really cool.

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It is.

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It's all about the prompts.

00:31:29.295 --> 00:31:30.862
Where did Ralph had a comment?

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He said getting info is easy, but putting it together is why you need to hire someone like me with 30 years of experience.

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That's why I'm going to do a live show and that actually that is true, because just because you read, it doesn't, sometimes you need somebody to explain it in a way that makes sense, not just the facts and also what I used to love about dummy books back when they were new.

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Right, I'd get the book about you know Microsoft Word 6, and it would tell you all the features, like here's what it does.

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Here's what it does.

00:32:05.019 --> 00:32:11.101
The dummy books would explain why I would use this, like what's the benefit and where I would use it.

00:32:11.101 --> 00:32:13.707
So that's what made dummy books so great.

00:32:13.707 --> 00:32:17.603
They're like oh, and here's an example of when you might want to try this.

00:32:17.603 --> 00:32:22.238
Here's another example of when you might use this feature, not just here's the feature.

00:32:22.238 --> 00:32:36.176
So yeah, making the info easy to digest, you know, but the problem's going to be now, when AI tells us something, we can simply say can you use that in a sentence, please, or can you?

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give me an example, or you know so.

00:32:39.738 --> 00:32:40.559
Well, listen you still.

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This is not a time to disengage your brain.

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This did not make this, did not make us thinking any different.

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It takes away.

00:32:48.268 --> 00:32:51.981
It's like when we created calculators right, we could do math before.

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We just created a device that made us that allowed us to do math faster and quicker.

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We still do math before we just created a device that allowed us to do math faster and quicker.

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We still do math.

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We still have scientists out there doing math.

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The calculator didn't replace, even though your high school math teacher told you that you were never going to learn math again.

00:33:06.046 --> 00:33:07.679
People know math.

00:33:07.679 --> 00:33:09.407
Right, these language calculators.

00:33:09.407 --> 00:33:10.332
So these AI?

00:33:10.332 --> 00:33:12.017
Right, they're just that for language.

00:33:12.017 --> 00:33:13.440
Right, they just make the language faster.

00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:19.198
And to Ralph's point a little bit listen just because a person's a human doesn't make them true either.

00:33:19.198 --> 00:33:21.701
In some regards, you have to engage your brain, right?

00:33:21.701 --> 00:33:24.964
How much bad advice is out there in podcasts?

00:33:25.715 --> 00:33:28.183
Oh right, it was funny.

00:33:29.316 --> 00:33:34.118
I heard somebody at an event explain how you should put keywords in your description for Apple.

00:33:34.138 --> 00:33:39.482
explain how you should put keywords in your description for Apple and I'm like I'm pretty sure Apple doesn't look at the description.

00:33:39.482 --> 00:33:41.984
And I was like, well, that's interesting.

00:33:41.984 --> 00:33:44.467
And then I looked up and I'm like, oh look, it's Ted from Apple.

00:33:44.467 --> 00:33:46.528
And I go does Apple search the description?

00:33:46.528 --> 00:33:49.471
He's like no, and he's like, well, at least not now.

00:33:49.471 --> 00:33:53.596
And I was like, hmm, they do search the transcript, that's new.

00:33:53.596 --> 00:34:00.808
But so that's why we should just be saying you know, naked people, naked people, naked people.

00:34:00.808 --> 00:34:07.689
So now, when people are searching for naked people, they'll find this show and then be horribly disappointed that you know we're not naked.

00:34:08.335 --> 00:34:14.981
Well, both with AI, though, and people and humans, we do need to do the same tests right, right, which is, in other words, test the advice.

00:34:14.981 --> 00:34:17.021
If it's good advice, take it again.

00:34:17.021 --> 00:34:21.365
If it continues to be good advice, trust it Right, and that's the same.

00:34:21.365 --> 00:34:25.943
It can be the same thing for both people and AI, and then you've got to constantly be checking.

00:34:25.943 --> 00:34:35.710
I mean, sometimes I've listen, I've known folks for a long time, and then, all of a sudden, these are humans that go off the rails and you're like, oh well, you know.

00:34:36.434 --> 00:34:41.568
So I think we still have to live in a world of trust and verify on everything.

00:34:41.568 --> 00:34:44.202
So listen, I'm preaching to the choir here.

00:34:44.202 --> 00:34:55.820
You guys all know this, but I think it's just really, really important we trust and verify at all times, for both people and for AI, to make sure, and then, at the end of the day, listen, the decision you make is yours, not theirs.

00:34:55.820 --> 00:35:00.737
So make sure you're making decisions you're good with, and I'm not saying don't get advice.

00:35:00.737 --> 00:35:03.730
I'm just saying, at the end of the day, continue to engage your brain.

00:35:03.730 --> 00:35:08.646
Humans are still needed for a long time to make sure we're engaging our brains, so make sure you're using that.

00:35:09.175 --> 00:35:12.945
They've been doing a thing on the no Agenda Show where they're getting feedback from teachers.

00:35:12.945 --> 00:35:19.418
Show where they're getting feedback from teachers.

00:35:19.418 --> 00:35:20.623
Like, kids in the 10th grade can't recite the months.

00:35:20.623 --> 00:35:21.806
They don't know what half a dozen is.

00:35:21.806 --> 00:35:23.335
There are a bunch of things that you're like wait.

00:35:23.335 --> 00:35:25.601
Well, it just makes it sound like our kids are morons.

00:35:25.601 --> 00:35:26.021
I'm like.

00:35:26.021 --> 00:35:29.797
So read to your children, get them interested in books.

00:35:30.099 --> 00:35:33.266
Well, okay, but let me defend that for just a second here.

00:35:33.266 --> 00:35:40.938
Things have shifted that kids today know things that are important to the world they live in and listen.

00:35:40.938 --> 00:35:44.577
You can come up with a thousand places where this goes wrong, but there's still.

00:35:44.577 --> 00:35:49.688
I worked with a lot of smart students here over the last 20 years in the internships I've done.

00:35:49.688 --> 00:35:51.641
There's a lot of smart students out here.

00:35:51.641 --> 00:35:53.440
They know things, Dave.

00:35:53.440 --> 00:36:01.228
They may not know what half a dozen is, but they may know how to code, Like they may know how to write software code to be able to.

00:36:01.228 --> 00:36:10.257
To get to that point, why does a dozen matter?

00:36:10.257 --> 00:36:12.340
That's such an antiquated I know it's 12, but it's such an antiquated number.

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:16.507
Like we do very little with that anymore for the most part.

00:36:16.507 --> 00:36:18.275
Yeah, we can buy eggs and dozen.

00:36:18.275 --> 00:36:22.625
Most cases it's 18 now, and so you know, like nobody buys.

00:36:22.625 --> 00:36:26.481
Yeah, sure, you buy donuts in a dozen, but nobody cares that like.

00:36:26.481 --> 00:36:27.766
So what?

00:36:27.766 --> 00:36:29.512
Right, but could they?

00:36:29.512 --> 00:36:30.074
Could there?

00:36:30.074 --> 00:36:32.577
Are there certain things that they could do way more advanced?

00:36:32.577 --> 00:36:49.557
Yeah, and so I think I think there's things sometimes on this, in this area, we take things, we take old ideas and they're like oh yeah, you don't know how to put mortar on on you know stones, build a house, and it's like well, we don't build houses that way anymore.

00:36:49.557 --> 00:36:50.840
Why would we?

00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:52.543
Why do we need that skill?

00:36:52.543 --> 00:36:54.307
Can I, can I pour concrete?

00:36:54.469 --> 00:36:58.155
that might be, uh yeah or cement, depending on what area you're in.

00:36:58.516 --> 00:37:07.590
My favorite is when it's a dollar six and you give them a penny.

00:37:07.590 --> 00:37:08.255
I think I got this.

00:37:08.255 --> 00:37:09.960
Right now I'm gonna make fun of my own self.

00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:11.143
Oh boy, here we go.

00:37:11.143 --> 00:37:13.248
Yeah, I'm doing math live.

00:37:13.248 --> 00:37:21.054
Yeah, so you know, and you give them like a penny, so they give you back a nickel instead of four pennies or whatever it is you know, and you just wait.

00:37:21.054 --> 00:37:22.197
They're like but I already rang it up.

00:37:22.197 --> 00:37:25.003
It says I owe you, you know, a dollar four.

00:37:25.003 --> 00:37:36.126
And you're like yeah, here's a, here's a penny, just give me a nickel and you can just see them like what I don't understand this is a super great example like we we're using so little cash.

00:37:36.327 --> 00:37:42.023
These days so the old timers are like you can't even count, can't change anymore.

00:37:42.023 --> 00:37:44.036
You're like, why would you need to?

00:37:44.036 --> 00:37:50.436
Like, yeah, I swipe a card and I'm out and, by the way, the old timers could never do it anyways, right they?

00:37:50.436 --> 00:37:54.862
They say this and then throw, you know, tell, okay, give me change for 34 cents.

00:37:54.862 --> 00:37:59.369
And they're like you're like, okay, settle down, old timer.

00:38:00.376 --> 00:38:07.934
I'm going to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on Monday because it's a holiday and they have things all over their website.

00:38:07.934 --> 00:38:10.844
This is a cashless operation.

00:38:10.844 --> 00:38:15.762
Don't come in here with your change purse, old man, Because they're like we don't take cash.

00:38:15.762 --> 00:38:17.639
And I was like that's interesting.

00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.085
And John Domingo says yes, give us a five-star review to help our podcast rankings.

00:38:22.085 --> 00:38:26.125
Yep, People are still saying that because they've heard it so many times.

00:38:26.125 --> 00:38:28.141
John also had a question.

00:38:28.141 --> 00:38:29.619
Go ahead, you took a deep breath.

00:38:32.016 --> 00:38:32.677
Before we moved on.

00:38:32.677 --> 00:38:34.079
I was just going to wrap up that segment.

00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:39.565
I think the podcasting advice is a great way to emphasize this.

00:38:39.565 --> 00:39:05.385
I mean, even in the last 10 years our podcasting advice has changed in some regards into some of the things we say, and so just make sure you're always getting the best information that's for you right from that standpoint, and then you know.

00:39:05.385 --> 00:39:09.909
To go back to the cash list cash versus cash list, I mean, we, we don't live in a world anymore in podcasting a lot.

00:39:09.929 --> 00:39:11.610
Remember when we were hand coding RSS feeds.

00:39:11.630 --> 00:39:23.407
You need to be able to code your RSS feed, you know, and you're like no, we don't need to do that anymore To say someone's not a good podcaster because they can't plan, code an RSS feed.

00:39:23.407 --> 00:39:24.898
Would we say that today?

00:39:24.898 --> 00:39:29.563
Some people might, I don't know, we wouldn't, no, so yeah, I love it, Craig.

00:39:30.056 --> 00:39:31.259
Long live the Fortnite.

00:39:31.259 --> 00:39:37.657
Because already my brain's going is that weekly, biweekly, Wait what fortnight?

00:39:37.677 --> 00:39:39.222
because already my brain's going is that weekly, bi-weekly wait.

00:39:39.222 --> 00:39:39.603
What's that mean?

00:39:39.623 --> 00:39:41.047
again every other week, I think, is what that means or something.

00:39:41.047 --> 00:39:41.869
Yeah, craig.

00:39:41.869 --> 00:39:48.012
Craig, who again teaches english in spain, friend of mine, gets essays from his students that have been written by ai.

00:39:48.012 --> 00:39:52.081
He uses ai to mark them, you bet guys.

00:39:52.141 --> 00:39:53.304
This is the Like.

00:39:53.304 --> 00:39:53.804
We can't.

00:39:53.804 --> 00:39:59.219
This is good in business today, we're all everybody's using AI to write their copy.

00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:06.784
At this point, what we need to do is figure out how to get students to write copy better and faster using the AI and then cause.

00:40:06.784 --> 00:40:10.139
At the end of the day, the goal is just really good copy.

00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:12.625
Doesn't matter if it's original or not.

00:40:12.625 --> 00:40:15.210
Right, it needs to be great.

00:40:15.210 --> 00:40:17.856
No, when, when you put an ad out, nobody cares.

00:40:17.856 --> 00:40:19.923
It just needs to be good copy.

00:40:19.923 --> 00:40:22.452
So we're we're gonna make this switch over.

00:40:22.452 --> 00:40:23.918
I mean, we did this for the calculator.

00:40:23.918 --> 00:40:25.867
Nobody's gonna be able to figure out math.

00:40:25.907 --> 00:40:27.454
Right, we got comfortable with a calculator.

00:40:27.454 --> 00:40:29.318
We'll get comfortable with this.

00:40:29.318 --> 00:40:32.286
You know, can someone write a whole paper?

00:40:32.286 --> 00:40:33.775
Those days are over, friends.

00:40:33.775 --> 00:40:35.460
That's yeah, the cat.

00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:38.315
The cat is out of the bag, the horse is out of the barn, like it's.

00:40:38.315 --> 00:40:39.983
Those days are over, like it or not.

00:40:39.983 --> 00:40:41.820
Time to embrace it, friends.

00:40:42.554 --> 00:40:44.282
Yeah, I'm trying to find John Haddock.

00:40:44.282 --> 00:40:44.663
Here we go.

00:40:44.663 --> 00:40:49.043
Can you move your RSS feed too many times?

00:40:49.043 --> 00:40:49.985
Oh, I move.

00:40:49.985 --> 00:40:51.822
I move from Lipson to Captivate.

00:40:51.822 --> 00:40:53.822
Now I want to try Podhome.

00:40:53.822 --> 00:40:56.735
Do you see any issues?

00:40:56.735 --> 00:40:58.780
And how would that interfere with Podpage?

00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:01.284
Podpage follows the redirect.

00:41:01.284 --> 00:41:08.244
So the key to this is when you move, after you've imported into the new home of your show.

00:41:08.244 --> 00:41:31.920
So if you're moving from wherever Captivate to Podhome, so you do the import, then you go into Captivate and you redirect to Podhome and then in theory everything should follow that, because that redirect behind the scenes the nerdy phrase, it's a you know 301 redirect is basically saying John doesn't live here anymore, he lives over there, and so the apps then go oh, john doesn't live there.

00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.505
So the next time they go he's you know.

00:41:34.505 --> 00:41:43.561
So in Apple Podcasts it's looking at the Captivate feed and now it says, oh, wait a minute, and it looks at the Podhome feed and it updates.

00:41:43.561 --> 00:41:58.077
So the next time you start Apple Podcasts it goes to Podhome, and so I wouldn't move it too quick and I would just make sure that I would hit like the top five and just make sure that it's still updating after you've put out an episode.

00:41:58.077 --> 00:42:07.045
So if I've moved to, you know host number two and I put out a new episode, I want to go to all the apps and make sure that it's not in.

00:42:07.045 --> 00:42:10.018
You know, whoever your first host was, it's only in.

00:42:10.018 --> 00:42:11.121
You know the new host.

00:42:11.121 --> 00:42:17.400
And when I see that that new episode show up everywhere, I know that everything is looking at your new feed.

00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:26.246
And so from there you're like okay, good, everybody knows it's like moving from one, two, three main street to you know 507 Johnson street.

00:42:26.246 --> 00:42:26.887
Great, everybody.

00:42:26.887 --> 00:42:28.358
You know here's my new phone number.

00:42:28.358 --> 00:42:30.885
Everybody's calling me on my new home phone.

00:42:30.885 --> 00:42:31.996
I know everybody's got it.

00:42:31.996 --> 00:42:34.179
And once you're there, then you're like great.

00:42:34.179 --> 00:42:36.342
And now if you want to move again, I know everybody's got it.

00:42:36.342 --> 00:42:38.744
And once you're there, then you're like great, and now if you want to move again, you know, do that.

00:42:38.764 --> 00:42:40.146
Just anytime you update a feed is the thing I say.

00:42:40.146 --> 00:42:41.289
Just don't multitask.

00:42:41.289 --> 00:43:00.623
When you do that, make sure that the links you're putting in have no spaces before the link and definitely not any after the link, because that's where, you know, I had a guy at Libsyn that had a typo in his feed and he just redirected his entire audience to nothing and he was like how do I get that back?

00:43:00.623 --> 00:43:04.831
I go well, you could buy that domain and set up a feed.

00:43:04.831 --> 00:43:14.708
It was nasty, but I was like I would just go back and change it and realize that anybody over the last three days that has checked your show is no longer a subscriber.

00:43:14.708 --> 00:43:15.250
They're gone.

00:43:15.250 --> 00:43:20.807
And then Chris asked well, what is the best host provider?

00:43:20.807 --> 00:43:24.322
And the answer is of course it's a podcast question.

00:43:24.322 --> 00:43:25.766
It depends.

00:43:25.766 --> 00:43:38.295
If I'm all about WordPress, blueberry, if I'm on a budget and I'm only going to put out an episode, maybe twice a month and I don't need dynamic stuff, libsyn, all day long.

00:43:39.005 --> 00:43:50.034
My two favorites well, three really are Captivate, which has a bunch of new stuff coming down the pike, buzzsprout both of those because they have dynamic content down the pike.

00:43:50.034 --> 00:43:53.021
Buzzsprout, both of those because they have dynamic content.

00:43:53.021 --> 00:43:57.706
Buzzsprout would be, if somebody wants easy.

00:43:57.706 --> 00:43:59.250
Their interface is a little better, but not by much.

00:43:59.250 --> 00:44:04.007
But Captivate has a much better business model where you can have multiple shows and in 99% of the time your bill will not go up.

00:44:04.007 --> 00:44:12.012
You have to get 30,000 downloads on Captivate for your bill to go up and if you're getting 30,000 downloads, I'm pretty sure you can monetize that stuff.

00:44:12.012 --> 00:44:23.389
And then my third would now be Transistor, because it's basically Captivate Lite Same business model, multiple shows, things like that.

00:44:23.389 --> 00:44:24.532
They have dynamic tools, things like that.

00:44:24.532 --> 00:44:25.072
So it depends.

00:44:25.092 --> 00:44:33.177
Now, if I want all the podcasting 2.0 stuff because I'm doing a show about Bitcoin, then boy, that's a good question.

00:44:33.177 --> 00:44:38.617
I might still stick with Captivate, because Captivate has a lot, blueberry has a lot, buzzsprout has a lot.

00:44:38.617 --> 00:44:49.699
If I want all the bells and whistles, then I'd probably go with Podhome, but that whole streaming Satoshi thing is kind of limping along right now.

00:44:49.699 --> 00:44:55.375
Now, if you're in the crypto space it's not limping along and it's going gangbusters, but for the average Joe person.

00:44:55.375 --> 00:44:57.226
So I always say it depends.

00:44:57.226 --> 00:45:03.297
I have a, I think, if you go to podcastmediahostingcom.

00:45:03.297 --> 00:45:12.159
I have a post on this on the school of podcasting that just explains here's what this dynamic thing does, here's what this does, here's what this does.

00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.875
And then it says here's who has that feature.

00:45:17.447 --> 00:45:18.773
And then there are people like Podbean.

00:45:18.773 --> 00:45:25.094
Podbean fired their entire American staff and replaced them with marketing people.

00:45:25.094 --> 00:45:37.849
I've always found Podbean's interface clunky and if you're on their lowest plan, they will upgrade you prompt to death, where it just seems like every button you click on is like you need to upgrade and I get that.

00:45:37.849 --> 00:45:41.177
That's how they get people to upgrade, but I don't hate them.

00:45:41.177 --> 00:45:44.351
I'm just like they're not for me.

00:45:44.351 --> 00:45:46.956
They're less annoying options.

00:45:46.956 --> 00:45:50.396
And Podbean's website I do see where they've updated this.

00:45:50.396 --> 00:45:57.438
It used to be really hard to put a button on their website to point to Apple and I'm like wait what?

00:45:57.438 --> 00:46:05.826
Because they wanted people to listen to your show in the Podbean app and I was like no, so let's say yeah.

00:46:05.826 --> 00:46:09.916
Randy says I walked away from the streaming payments and closed down my value for value music show.

00:46:11.005 --> 00:46:12.351
Yeah it's just.

00:46:12.351 --> 00:46:13.474
They made it too hard.

00:46:13.474 --> 00:46:17.054
And I asked Adam at Podcast Movement.

00:46:17.054 --> 00:46:24.112
I got to talk to him for two minutes and I go if I don't want to use Albie, I go how do I tell people to set up value for value?

00:46:24.112 --> 00:46:32.079
And he talked about Fountain and some of these other ones, but it just I don't want to say it's dead because it's not.

00:46:32.425 --> 00:46:38.164
But I would only recommend that now to people that are doing a show about crypto and I'm really sad about that.

00:46:38.164 --> 00:46:50.286
I'm hoping that when they come out with some I'm surprised Apple hasn't come up with some sort of digital coin or I know they're coming out with a stable coin in the US, but I'm like.

00:46:50.286 --> 00:46:52.494
So I don't think that idea is dead.

00:46:52.494 --> 00:46:55.293
I'm hoping it will come back because I really like that.

00:46:55.293 --> 00:47:00.893
And I also think, like Captivate and Buzzsprout, both have the ability to sell your back catalog.

00:47:00.893 --> 00:47:07.076
You can just say this is a premium one and Mark Maron was making 200K a month doing that.

00:47:07.076 --> 00:47:09.025
Now he had really good back episodes.

00:47:09.025 --> 00:47:24.077
But I think subscriptions are the better way now for the indie podcaster to make that, or if you're just going to ask for donations, like I know, daniel now at the end has the audacity to podcastcom slash, give back.

00:47:24.077 --> 00:47:26.887
And so you know, there are still.

00:47:27.309 --> 00:47:40.275
I have, I think, two shows Like I listened to Podcasting 2.0 last night and I have that in Cast Magic which is tied to my Albie wallet, but I'm very close to just waving the white flag on that.

00:47:40.275 --> 00:47:49.476
Yeah, danny says, looking at the stats on Podcast Index, it shows how many podcasts receive stats and it's pretty low in the grand scheme of things.

00:47:49.476 --> 00:47:51.179
Yeah, it's, you know it's pretty low in the grand scheme of things.

00:47:51.179 --> 00:47:51.784
Yeah, it's, you know it's.

00:47:51.784 --> 00:47:52.505
It's such a bummer.

00:47:52.505 --> 00:47:54.630
I I was, so that's why I started.

00:47:54.630 --> 00:47:57.237
The future of podcasting was to I.

00:47:57.237 --> 00:48:02.737
I thought this was going to take off and we could give that, and now it's like the future of podcasting is.

00:48:05.009 --> 00:48:10.298
so you know what the future of podcasting is tomorrow, right, yeah, I mean, it's out there.

00:48:10.298 --> 00:48:18.108
Listen, I think we'll make another run at this digital currency for podcast and podcast support Just wasn't.

00:48:18.108 --> 00:48:20.081
I don't know if we were ready yet.

00:48:20.081 --> 00:48:25.875
No, I don't think the technology's there, I don't think enough people were there.

00:48:25.875 --> 00:48:29.635
I don't think it's an average guy solution.

00:48:29.635 --> 00:48:30.646
I don't.

00:48:30.686 --> 00:48:40.648
You know, there was a lot of things that needed to happen, but you got to try it a couple times before it starts, before it really works well, and I think we may be in a.

00:48:40.648 --> 00:48:43.255
You know, we may be in a situation coming up here.

00:48:43.255 --> 00:48:57.610
You know, unfortunately, if anybody got into the value for value, and you had Satoshi's that you were getting, if you had been early and just held onto them, they'd be worth four times what they're worth now I mean what they were worth then.

00:48:57.610 --> 00:49:04.856
So you, if you did nothing with your Bitcoin stuff, it would be now four times more value than it was before.

00:49:04.856 --> 00:49:08.965
So hopefully you didn't sell those things off because they're Bitcoin's doing really well right now.

00:49:08.965 --> 00:49:11.027
I think we're going to need a.

00:49:11.027 --> 00:49:22.434
We're going to need a blockchain, so someone's going to need to dedicate a blockchain to this, and then we're going to need tie-ins to the various onboard fiat onboarding right.

00:49:22.434 --> 00:49:33.021
So, like here in the United States, like a Coinbase would need, we're going to need to be able to come in through an easy thing like coinbase then then move things from to and from that.

00:49:33.161 --> 00:49:34.762
As easy this was the hard part is they were.

00:49:34.762 --> 00:49:41.110
Everybody was trying to set up a decentralized or or whatever something along those lines of getting that done and it just was.

00:49:41.110 --> 00:49:47.172
Like you said, if you have a user that has to set up something and it's probably not going to work, you guys, it has to be easy.

00:49:47.172 --> 00:49:57.760
So I think I think somebody will be smart enough to make us another run at this what we call value for value, and it could work.

00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:58.744
I just don't think we're ready.

00:49:58.744 --> 00:50:00.451
I don't think the technology was was.

00:50:00.451 --> 00:50:02.599
It was there for sure, it's just it was.

00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:04.525
It was fairly complicated, too hard.

00:50:04.626 --> 00:50:18.057
Yeah, when I was very hard when I talked to ted from when that was really taking off, he's like I know we can do it, he's like, but for Apple to embrace it it has to be easy.

00:50:18.057 --> 00:50:34.371
Like easy John says, I was thinking Podhome to create an RSS for live streaming directly to podcast apps like Fountain, and, yeah, I had Daniel explain how to set up a live tag and my brain exploded.

00:50:34.371 --> 00:50:39.210
I was like you lost me about seven steps ago and I was like because I've got to.

00:50:39.210 --> 00:50:57.025
Oh man, radiocom, I have some live streaming channel that's just playing loops of your podcast consultant and I know, if I wanted to, I could like I could add that as a live stream, because back in the day, back in the day, internet radio used to be a big thing.

00:50:57.025 --> 00:50:57.748
You could.

00:50:57.748 --> 00:50:59.592
I remember I had an internet radio station.

00:50:59.592 --> 00:51:02.690
I could go in and see where you know hundreds of people listen.

00:51:02.690 --> 00:51:06.168
And now I look at it and it's like tens of people have listened.

00:51:06.168 --> 00:51:09.297
But it's, it's another way to live stream.

00:51:09.297 --> 00:51:15.735
Before I get to some other questions, I wanted to share one other thing that I learned while I was on the road.

00:51:15.735 --> 00:51:17.208
And man, did this come in handy?

00:51:17.208 --> 00:51:24.666
It is, and this is not unless you think everything I do has an affiliate program.

00:51:24.666 --> 00:51:25.286
This does not.

00:51:26.027 --> 00:51:48.494
Spotherocom saved me a chunk of change because when I was at the event in Cleveland, the parking at the Hilton was 50 bucks a night and I was there for three nights, I think, and it was 43 bucks for all three nights at Spot Hero.

00:51:48.494 --> 00:51:54.010
And so you basically type in an address and it says let me see if I can find a parking spot for you.

00:51:54.010 --> 00:51:57.586
And it did, and it was I don't know three blocks away.

00:51:57.586 --> 00:52:00.753
I was like I'll walk three blocks to save 150 bucks.

00:52:00.753 --> 00:52:03.204
And so I did the same thing.

00:52:03.204 --> 00:52:04.706
I'm going to the Rock Hall on Monday.

00:52:04.706 --> 00:52:13.733
I was like I don't know what the parking is up there and I found one like I think it was 40 something bucks to park at the closest one.

00:52:13.733 --> 00:52:14.693
I was like hold on.

00:52:14.693 --> 00:52:16.554
So I pull up my Spot Hero.

00:52:16.554 --> 00:52:23.300
I found some place that's like six bucks a day and it's like four blocks away and I'm like it's supposed to be nice on Monday.

00:52:23.300 --> 00:52:25.481
I'm saving myself 40 bucks.

00:52:25.481 --> 00:52:27.202
So I was surprised.

00:52:27.202 --> 00:52:33.086
So it's spotherocom.

00:52:33.548 --> 00:52:36.000
If you're going to any, you know live events or you know anything where you're going to be parking.

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.527
I know, man, I forget where we're at Chicago.

00:52:38.527 --> 00:52:47.851
I think it was Podcast Movement in Chicago and Daniel had found a parking place adjacent to a hospital that was cheaper.

00:52:47.851 --> 00:53:01.452
And so this is kind of that idea Let me find a hotel adjacent that isn't going to charge me, because hotels, just like you know, brought to you by the same people that charge you $9 for a bottle of water.

00:53:01.452 --> 00:53:14.668
You know, and I remember I'm so old I remember when parking was a thing that you know was provided so that you could actually come to the hotel and I was like no, no, if you're going to be on our property, we're going to charge you because we can.

00:53:14.668 --> 00:53:16.572
So that.

00:53:16.831 --> 00:53:23.204
Uh, I will say on spot hero, be really careful that you see the distance.

00:53:23.204 --> 00:53:24.889
You were talking three blocks right.

00:53:25.411 --> 00:53:33.324
Make sure you're looking at the distance, cause I was doing, I was just doing some searches here in Omaha and the only place, the only place you have paid a park, is downtown.

00:53:33.324 --> 00:53:35.409
But if you're not from Omaha, you don't know that.

00:53:35.409 --> 00:53:36.353
So I went.

00:53:36.353 --> 00:53:45.429
If I was going to the exorbitant area which is another shopping area, all that, all that parking's free, but it's spot hero tries to give me suggestions downtown.

00:53:45.429 --> 00:53:49.697
It doesn't say, hey, that area is free, like you know.

00:53:49.697 --> 00:53:53.208
So if you were from out of town you might think, oh, I can't get any.

00:53:53.208 --> 00:53:55.193
I where am I going to park?

00:53:55.193 --> 00:53:56.097
How's this going to work?

00:53:56.097 --> 00:54:05.596
So just remember, as you're looking around on that, that you you know there may be some areas where you're thinking paid parking might be appropriate and it's not.

00:54:05.596 --> 00:54:06.617
You can just park for free.

00:54:11.344 --> 00:54:15.614
Yeah, jeff C says so glad the Gaylord is done for podcast movement, but who knows how expensive New York is going to be.

00:54:15.614 --> 00:54:33.168
That was me I was like when I heard James Cridland announced that podcast movement is moving from you know the Gaylord, I was like, yes, and it's like, and they're moving, and from what I understand, new York is the permanent home, like it's not like New York next year, it's New York from going forward.

00:54:33.168 --> 00:54:40.590
And I was like, well, the winner in that equation, in my opinion, is one, chris Kermitsos in PodFest.

00:54:40.590 --> 00:54:47.166
Because I, you know, I've been to New York once, it was fun and I did some touristy things.

00:54:47.166 --> 00:54:51.309
But I don't know, I'll be interested to see.

00:54:51.309 --> 00:54:58.096
I mean, I'll go next year to New York, I believe, unless it's just absolutely ridiculous.

00:54:58.896 --> 00:55:00.958
But you know, that's an industry event.

00:55:00.958 --> 00:55:05.561
Whether they and I talked to Brian personally, he said no, no, we're still all about the creator.

00:55:05.561 --> 00:55:17.155
And I'm like, okay, and I, he's not lying, but I I think he thinks the creator makes more money than they do, cause you know, and they, I, james Cridland, had a great idea.

00:55:17.155 --> 00:55:41.333
They should do what podcasts show in London does, which is they have different types of days and so they can have like injury industry days, maybe Wednesday and Thursday or on Thursday, and then have the kind of independent days on Friday and Saturday, so that A they don't have to burn a vacation day, and then you know, I don't know.

00:55:41.465 --> 00:55:46.416
Then everybody could go on that day see their friends, not have to have three nights of hotels.

00:55:46.416 --> 00:55:50.733
Let's just make a day for indies and everybody can fly in on that day.

00:55:50.733 --> 00:55:54.715
High five each other, pat ourselves on the back and then go back home.

00:55:54.715 --> 00:55:55.557
I don't know.

00:55:55.557 --> 00:55:57.686
So Steph says do we know where?

00:55:57.686 --> 00:55:58.148
New York?

00:55:58.148 --> 00:56:01.677
No, because New York's a big place, although I do love the Bronx.

00:56:01.677 --> 00:56:02.706
The Bronx was fun.

00:56:02.706 --> 00:56:11.940
I went to the something air radio, some event there, and they had some really good brisket in this place.

00:56:11.940 --> 00:56:12.967
That was amazing.

00:56:12.967 --> 00:56:25.451
And I also found out, I'm pretty sure, like if you're a parent and you put your kid on the sidewalk waiting for the bus, if you leave them there longer than 10 seconds, somebody will come by and spray them with graffiti.

00:56:25.831 --> 00:56:32.028
There's just graffiti everywhere in the Bronx and what I heard cause, that makes me nervous.

00:56:32.028 --> 00:56:37.472
And and Akron, if you're in, if you've got graffiti on the walls it hasn't been cleaned, it's like you're not in a great neighborhood.

00:56:37.472 --> 00:56:40.106
And in the Bronx they're like, no, that's just what we do here.

00:56:40.106 --> 00:56:41.307
Everywhere is that so.

00:56:41.307 --> 00:56:45.313
So it'd be interesting to see what happens with with podcast movement.

00:56:45.313 --> 00:56:52.840
Chris says I bet the Indies at these events is less than 5%, and we'll see there was.

00:56:52.840 --> 00:57:00.385
You know, the people I met at Podcast Movement that were really new to podcasting were from Dallas.

00:57:00.385 --> 00:57:04.297
They were local, so they probably weren't staying at the Gaylord, they were just coming in.

00:57:04.297 --> 00:57:07.193
So let's we have Ralph has a question.

00:57:07.193 --> 00:57:12.532
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00:57:12.532 --> 00:57:14.391
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00:57:18.110 --> 00:57:21.858
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Do you think anybody would buy this?

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00:58:01.465 --> 00:58:08.289
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Home Gadget Geeks and my mouse is not working.

00:58:11.711 --> 00:58:13.753
I am going to learn vidIQ.

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That's one of the things.

00:58:14.634 --> 00:58:22.619
Now that all these sessions are over, I dip my toe in it, but that's what's coming and it's time to go to not that, but this.

00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:35.108
Also, I should say, if you tried to join earlier by going to askthepodcastcoachcom slash question, I had not started Zoom yet and Zoom is now up and running.

00:58:35.108 --> 00:58:36.054
So if you want to jump in on the call, you can.

00:58:36.054 --> 00:58:36.556
But who's it going to be?

00:58:36.556 --> 00:58:39.286
Is it going to be Ralph from the Financially Confident Christian, or Greg from Indie Drop-In, or Craig?

00:58:39.286 --> 00:58:40.967
I can't talk as fast as this thing spins.

00:58:40.967 --> 00:58:44.172
There's Jody, the audio branding show, and so who will it be?

00:58:44.172 --> 00:58:51.159
Well, we're going to click on spin and find out and the answer is it's, I'm going to guess.

00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:52.260
Is it Chris?

00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:53.445
Is it going to stay on, chris?

00:58:53.445 --> 00:58:57.335
It is Chris from castaheadnet.

00:58:57.976 --> 00:59:07.313
If you need a producer, slash editor, slash video, slash, audio guy, you cannot go wrong with you.

00:59:07.313 --> 00:59:10.998
Know, it's so funny when I get distracted.

00:59:10.998 --> 00:59:12.420
Did you leave and come back?

00:59:12.420 --> 00:59:15.650
Wait a minute, we're having technical difficulties.

00:59:15.650 --> 00:59:19.416
You can go to castaheadnet.

00:59:19.416 --> 00:59:20.438
Where is my?

00:59:20.438 --> 00:59:22.088
Oh wait, hold on, I got to go back to this.

00:59:22.088 --> 00:59:23.393
Okay, you're back.

00:59:23.393 --> 00:59:24.014
Did you leave?

00:59:24.885 --> 00:59:27.954
No, you put me in the green room for some reason, I don't know why.

00:59:28.224 --> 00:59:31.188
Because I was sitting there talking about Chris and all of a sudden, and then you left again.

00:59:31.188 --> 00:59:32.253
That's weird.

00:59:32.253 --> 00:59:36.612
And all of a sudden I heard bring, bring, bring and I was like, wait, what's going on?

00:59:36.612 --> 00:59:38.170
Jim has left me.

00:59:38.170 --> 00:59:41.333
So the joys of live.

00:59:41.333 --> 00:59:46.836
So, ralph, when you want to do a live show, remember moments like this Andy's back.

00:59:50.784 --> 00:59:53.048
I got moments like this and he's back, so I got an interesting error message.

00:59:53.048 --> 00:59:53.951
It said this stream is destroyed.

00:59:53.951 --> 00:59:55.052
It kicked me out for a second.

00:59:55.052 --> 00:59:58.099
I had to rejoin and said this stream is destroyed.

00:59:58.099 --> 01:00:01.215
I was like oh, that's that's a little uh.

01:00:01.255 --> 01:00:07.351
Yeah, I mean, that's all you know, I don't know what's going, you can fun, I don't know it's

01:00:07.371 --> 01:00:08.594
fine, it's fine fine.

01:00:09.135 --> 01:00:09.574
It's all fine.

01:00:09.574 --> 01:00:16.903
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01:00:29.735 --> 01:00:32.320
And so Ralph had a question.

01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:43.719
He said I would like the group's opinion on the best day and time for a weekly small business live show where I'll be answering small business questions and providing coaching.

01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:46.447
So live coaching can be really cool.

01:00:46.507 --> 01:00:54.719
I know Natalia Ekdahl from BizChicks and that's B-I-Z-C-H-I-X did interview shows.

01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:56.351
Because back in the day, that's what you did.

01:00:56.351 --> 01:00:59.054
You interviewed entrepreneurs and a million dollars fell from the ceiling.

01:00:59.054 --> 01:01:07.614
Well, when that didn't work and she kept offering coaching, and then she finally brought on somebody that she gave them a discount on coaching.

01:01:07.614 --> 01:01:11.590
The discount was because it was live and it was going to be used on a podcast.

01:01:11.590 --> 01:01:14.112
It wasn't so much live as it was going to be used on the podcast.

01:01:14.112 --> 01:01:21.311
And so she did a couple coaching calls with people and she said it was like her whole audience went oh, that's what coaching is.

01:01:21.311 --> 01:01:25.050
And she said and then, you know, people started knocking on the door.

01:01:25.706 --> 01:01:36.594
So for a small business see part of me, right you're like well, if you go during the day, I don't know about you, jim, you don't work from home.

01:01:36.594 --> 01:01:45.092
But I work from home and I have a problem where people think well, dave's home, I'll just call him and I'm like I'm at work.

01:01:45.092 --> 01:01:46.972
It is between 8 and 5.

01:01:46.972 --> 01:01:48.876
I'm at a place called Podpage.

01:01:48.876 --> 01:02:07.010
That happens to be my spare bedroom, but, like you know, and I remember once the power went out and I went over to my brother's house and it was still between eight and five and I'm type type typing at the keyboard and he did not get the hint that I'm like I'm doing my job, like, leave me alone.

01:02:07.010 --> 01:02:20.614
So during the day might work, because they're busy during the day, which means family time is at night, if they're doing that correctly.

01:02:20.614 --> 01:02:27.753
But a lot of times small businesses don't adhere to the eight to five rule and they work whenever they can.

01:02:27.753 --> 01:02:28.713
They work all the time.

01:02:29.635 --> 01:02:29.956
I would.

01:02:29.956 --> 01:02:34.867
For me, the key to live, and there are many hurdles.

01:02:34.867 --> 01:02:37.516
The beautiful thing alive is you get instant feedback.

01:02:37.516 --> 01:02:47.550
But and that's us, after doing this over 10 years, and we've done it the same time for 10 plus years Saturday at 1030.

01:02:47.550 --> 01:02:48.396
So I would pick.

01:02:48.396 --> 01:02:50.224
And now, why did I pick Saturday at 1030?

01:02:50.224 --> 01:02:54.114
Because at the time I was married and my ex-wife was still asleep.

01:02:54.114 --> 01:03:00.777
So I'm like, oh, I can do this show now and it won't take away from you were still married when we started this.

01:03:01.105 --> 01:03:02.929
Yeah, yeah, I was in Cleveland.

01:03:02.929 --> 01:03:05.335
Yeah, I was in Cleveland when we started this.

01:03:05.335 --> 01:03:17.697
Yeah, and because I remember I had that big hunking board with two mixed minuses going and yeah and yeah, so that's why, that's why I picked this time and I just never moved.

01:03:17.764 --> 01:03:31.786
And every anytime I ever hint to move, people are like no, oh, and I was editing my podcast this Saturday morning or when I edit my podcast and you went live and I saw you go live and you were wanting somebody, so I jumped, I jumped in to join you.

01:03:31.786 --> 01:03:34.552
So that time we kind of picked it by accident.

01:03:34.552 --> 01:03:40.072
But to your point, dave, like because we've been so consistent, we gain.

01:03:40.072 --> 01:03:51.788
Like people know they can count on it, like the, like the, uh, you know, like the trains, they, they, it's going to show up and and so I think there's some consistency.

01:03:51.788 --> 01:03:56.085
I think I don't know if the time matters as much as the consistency matters.

01:03:56.085 --> 01:04:06.164
If you're going to do it with people, they need to know you're going to be there and then, no matter what you do live, it's just never going to be as popular as as the recorded version right.

01:04:06.266 --> 01:04:06.887
Never going to be.

01:04:06.887 --> 01:04:08.351
Yeah, not even close.

01:04:08.351 --> 01:04:12.869
Close, I mean, jeff c does a live show on fridays.

01:04:12.869 --> 01:04:20.367
I rarely, if ever, watch it live because I'm busy doing my own stuff on friday day, right for you and me both.

01:04:20.427 --> 01:04:21.371
It's in the middle of the workday.

01:04:21.371 --> 01:04:25.271
I see it pop up on linkedin all the time and I'm like, oh, we'll have a great show, jeff.

01:04:25.271 --> 01:04:28.628
That's usually what I say when I see it pops up jeff, have a great show.

01:04:28.628 --> 01:04:34.043
But usually, you know, fridays at 11 or whatever, 10 or 11, I'm usually it for a long time.

01:04:34.043 --> 01:04:37.130
My own podcast was going on in that slot for Gallup.

01:04:37.230 --> 01:04:38.713
So, right, yeah, you just.

01:04:38.713 --> 01:04:49.014
But there will be people who will come and join you at that time and if that's what you're looking for, if you're looking for that, consistency is key, just beyond the shadow of a doubt.

01:04:49.014 --> 01:04:53.780
Listen, we did a live podcast every Friday this year at 11 am.

01:04:53.780 --> 01:04:58.215
As soon as we finished the season and stopped doing it, I had people emailing me Where's the podcast?

01:04:58.215 --> 01:04:59.737
Aren't you going to keep going?

01:04:59.737 --> 01:05:02.885
Like, no, we finished the season, I know, but aren't you going to keep going?

01:05:02.885 --> 01:05:04.184
I need something to listen to.

01:05:04.184 --> 01:05:09.327
So the key is get those people to build it into their habits.

01:05:09.327 --> 01:05:15.548
It's the same reason you all show up live folks at 10.30 Eastern, 9.30 Central.

01:05:15.929 --> 01:05:26.353
So if we switch to Thursday nights which wouldn't work for you because that's when you do your show but if we switch to a different time let's say we started doing this Wednesday at 7, we would lose this audience.

01:05:26.353 --> 01:05:36.476
Some of them would follow, but eventually we would get more people the Wednesday night, people like, oh, I was going to.

01:05:36.476 --> 01:05:40.297
The tough part is especially for live.

01:05:40.297 --> 01:05:44.480
I remember Jeff, not Jeff Jay Moore the comedian.

01:05:44.480 --> 01:06:00.108
He did a show I forget the name of it, but it was about Hollywood and agents and actors and it was about and so the media loved it because it was about them and it had all sorts of star power.

01:06:00.108 --> 01:06:04.195
Jay was a pretty popular comedian at the time and it should have taken off.

01:06:04.195 --> 01:06:15.253
It should have gone crazy, and the problem was it was on Thursday nights against this little show called Friends, and so I think it did maybe one and a half seasons.

01:06:15.253 --> 01:06:18.338
So that's the thing.

01:06:18.398 --> 01:06:24.228
It's just, you know, I would say, try it if this is something you want to do, because Ralph is really good at answering questions.

01:06:24.228 --> 01:06:36.559
You know, if you just get him to talk about something, he's got 30 years of experience, and so I like that strategy of just answer questions versus do the whole script thing and that whole nine yards.

01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:37.559
I would try it.

01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:44.666
I'd give it at least a month, probably two, and just realize live is not a magic bullet Like this.

01:06:44.666 --> 01:06:54.130
Show hasn't grown crazy because it's live and again, we probably get nine to 10 times more people listening to it later than we do here.

01:06:54.130 --> 01:07:00.351
Yeah, and Stephanie says hey, it took 10 years to build and engage audience for this live show.

01:07:00.351 --> 01:07:01.614
I never see y'all advertise it.

01:07:01.614 --> 01:07:04.148
It's like a secret I mentioned in my newsletter.

01:07:04.148 --> 01:07:07.773
Every week that goes out it's.

01:07:07.773 --> 01:07:11.280
I'm trying to figure out when we got when we got our audience.

01:07:12.146 --> 01:07:16.336
It's posted on LinkedIn and it's it's a part of I mean I talk about it on my show.

01:07:16.336 --> 01:07:19.793
Yeah, by the way, we're not, we're not trying to explain this away.

01:07:19.793 --> 01:07:21.925
It is a good, it's a great point.

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I mean we could do, we could do more advertising for it, although I think we're, I think we're comfortable with the audience that we have and if it's, if it's as good as we think it is, you word of mouth should do some things.

01:07:35.402 --> 01:07:36.686
It has done some stuff.

01:07:36.686 --> 01:07:38.550
Dave's out in the community.

01:07:38.550 --> 01:07:40.635
I mean he's speaking at conferences all the time.

01:07:40.635 --> 01:07:45.635
So, and you know, you mentioned it, it's on all your stuff, it's in my bio and all my stuff yeah.

01:07:45.655 --> 01:07:55.811
So anytime I have somebody go and I'll be like, oh well, you should join the school of podcasting, like, oh, it's just not in the budget, I will say, oh, I have something that's free.

01:07:55.811 --> 01:07:58.673
You just have to wake up at 1030 on Saturday mornings.

01:07:58.673 --> 01:08:18.050
And what's interesting is very seldom does that person get up to get free consulting, get free consulting, and I'm like then you're not real, I don't know, I don't know, I, I, my, my thought goes maybe, again maybe they're busy people and they want to sleep in.

01:08:18.069 --> 01:08:18.952
But I'm like I sleep into eight 30,.

01:08:18.952 --> 01:08:19.753
You know, crazy on Saturday.

01:08:19.753 --> 01:08:20.735
Yeah, don't get crazy now.

01:08:20.735 --> 01:08:27.234
Dave, I'm always surprised at how many people we get at this hour on a Saturday morning.

01:08:27.234 --> 01:08:29.176
You guys come back consistently.

01:08:29.176 --> 01:08:30.378
It always surprises me.

01:08:30.378 --> 01:08:40.208
So I always like, wow, it's 35 or 40 people who are very committed to it and enjoy it in a way to be a part of this group and it's kind of fun.

01:08:40.208 --> 01:08:44.807
I don't think anything we say you don't for the live folks you already know.

01:08:44.807 --> 01:08:50.654
I mean, I think there's a few nuggets in there, but you come out to be a part of the community and we appreciate that.

01:08:51.426 --> 01:09:12.402
Yeah, jeff says I love doing a live show, but keeping the time consistent, that is the key Because I mean, if you think about any time a show is not doing the way they want it to you know, or in some cases, networks just do stupid stuff on TV.

01:09:13.045 --> 01:09:28.270
They'll take one of their best shows and they have this other show that's not doing great and they're like, oh I know, We'll move this to another night right before the show that's not doing well, and then this great show will be the lead in and if people don't change the channel, they'll start watching the show after it.

01:09:28.270 --> 01:09:34.699
But as soon as you start moving shows around and people can't find it, you've doomed it.

01:09:34.699 --> 01:09:38.475
Yeah, Dan says this is basically Saturday morning cartoons.

01:09:38.475 --> 01:09:43.471
I need to bring in some cartoon sound effects and I don't know, Later Jim will drop an anvil on my head.

01:09:43.471 --> 01:09:48.676
Podno says I've listened to the show for two years.

01:09:48.676 --> 01:09:51.472
This is only the second time I've watched the live experience.

01:09:51.472 --> 01:09:51.854
There you go.

01:09:51.854 --> 01:09:55.694
It's always just to see how different Jim looks, how he is in my head.

01:09:56.315 --> 01:10:00.631
Oh yeah, how did he look in his head More handsome or less handsome?

01:10:00.631 --> 01:10:01.292
Yeah, that's me.

01:10:01.744 --> 01:10:16.087
I'm like I thought Jim was an ogre and man, that guy's handsome, yeah it is funny, the faces you make up when you're only when it's audio only you have to put a face in there, right?

01:10:16.087 --> 01:10:17.935
You that's your brain does that when you're listening to audio, it's putting a face in there.

01:10:17.935 --> 01:10:21.886
And when you haven't seen the person before, you don't know what they look like, you just make it up.

01:10:21.886 --> 01:10:24.729
And then the first time you meet him you're like that's nothing, like I thought it was.

01:10:25.350 --> 01:10:26.072
Yeah, yeah.

01:10:26.072 --> 01:10:32.118
Here's a fun question that we're going to dangerously tiptoe around a subject.

01:10:32.899 --> 01:10:33.560
Let's be careful.

01:10:40.505 --> 01:10:41.307
I was like all right, here we go.

01:10:41.307 --> 01:10:44.259
It says hey guys, the title of this on Reddit was advice on low ratings from people in the community.

01:10:44.259 --> 01:10:44.761
I wanted a little advice.

01:10:44.761 --> 01:10:46.225
I've been podcasting for two years.

01:10:46.225 --> 01:11:04.653
I started out recapping reality TV shows for the first year and nine months, but this summer I decided to start a new channel and began podcasting about religion, with my sister as the co-host, with a modern take, so that even non-religious girls, specifically, could feel included on their path to finding God.

01:11:04.653 --> 01:11:22.916
Just a simple podcast where we open up various topics every two weeks, discussing topics related to the religion, but also adding a modern take to it to help girls who are still on their religious journey, so they don't feel alone and see that we also are on the path, although we're not perfect.

01:11:23.465 --> 01:11:34.452
Unfortunately, this past week, a group of people in my community continue to spam my podcast ratings with one stars Dun dun dun and I'm not sure how to remove those.

01:11:34.452 --> 01:11:37.837
Well, you can't, or put a stop to it and you can't.

01:11:37.837 --> 01:11:42.505
And as I don't know who it is exactly, it's JimMom37.

01:11:42.505 --> 01:11:52.695
It says right there on their review, but, with this being about religion, and checking the analytics verifies me that it's people I knew or know of.

01:11:52.695 --> 01:11:56.975
I assume they don't consider me that religious, but everyone is on their own path.

01:11:56.975 --> 01:12:06.189
As I do keep it to myself a lot, so maybe it came as a surprise to many, but I don't want the continuous bad ratings to stop me from doing what I love.

01:12:06.189 --> 01:12:07.311
Then quit reading them.

01:12:07.311 --> 01:12:12.871
And any advice on dealing with personal attacks on your own podcast?

01:12:12.871 --> 01:12:14.775
Jim, I've not prepped you.

01:12:14.775 --> 01:12:18.170
What are the three things you don't talk about in a podcast?

01:12:18.369 --> 01:12:20.414
Religion, politics and sex.

01:12:20.414 --> 01:12:22.198
I don't know what's the third one religion, politics and sex.

01:12:22.219 --> 01:12:29.768
I don't know what's the third one, sex or abortion?

01:12:29.768 --> 01:12:30.048
Either one.

01:12:30.048 --> 01:12:33.101
And so you're in the religious space, and the reason you don't talk about those three things is it triggers people.

01:12:33.101 --> 01:12:33.664
Now, if you want to, you can.

01:12:33.664 --> 01:12:35.890
Jen Briney does a show about politics and guess what?

01:12:35.890 --> 01:12:42.011
50% of the time her audience hates her because she'll be like and the Republicans did this really stupid thing.

01:12:42.011 --> 01:12:46.219
And then in the next episode she'll be like and the Democrats did this really nasty thing.

01:12:46.219 --> 01:12:59.469
And every time she does that, you know, and I remember she's much better at it now, but in the early days she'd come on the mic crying because people were just brutal, because it's politics and those are things.

01:12:59.469 --> 01:13:11.269
That and that's the thing, all those things people have, they are passionate about them, and so not only will they fight back with an answer, but they will, you know, they just go crazy.

01:13:11.269 --> 01:13:12.311
So that's true.

01:13:12.311 --> 01:13:17.511
Now Ralph says I talk religion all the time, and so you know your time's coming.

01:13:17.692 --> 01:13:27.856
Somebody's going to throw in there, that you know, or maybe not I mean listen, for for folks who have, you know, have a uh, they're in a lane, let's just call it.

01:13:27.856 --> 01:13:28.961
They're in a lane and they're going.

01:13:28.961 --> 01:13:36.297
Sometimes you don't invite that other side to come in or they they don't see the value in making it work.

01:13:36.297 --> 01:13:52.845
And this particular case it sounds like sometimes we start off more general and we attract, to attract this big audience, Then we make a statement, right, Whatever that is, and we make that statement that divides our audience and that's generally when these things kind of happen.

01:13:52.845 --> 01:14:12.512
I think, if you start your podcast and you're in a lane and you're hard in that lane, the people who, who don't agree with you, they just don't listen, right, they're not going to show up and listen and unless you go after them in some particular way, they're probably not going to feel it's worth their time to go out and leave a one star and whatever that is true.

01:14:12.613 --> 01:14:13.576
That's something to think about.

01:14:13.576 --> 01:14:16.293
Somebody had to sign up for an Apple account.

01:14:16.293 --> 01:14:19.255
Go to your site, click on a button, write the review.

01:14:19.255 --> 01:14:22.810
You know you move somebody to do that.

01:14:22.831 --> 01:14:23.813
You have to go after them.

01:14:23.813 --> 01:14:27.807
You have to go after them, I mean so so generally kind of happens in these two camps.

01:14:27.807 --> 01:14:35.076
Right, you started more general and then you said something that divided the audience or you made a comment.

01:14:35.076 --> 01:14:47.960
Maybe you're in a, you're in a lane and you made a comment about the other lane and you went, you it, it, it got out, or you went, went after him, you went after him hard, or it came out on social or whatever some of those kinds of things, and they come back.

01:14:47.960 --> 01:14:49.466
They come back after you.

01:14:49.466 --> 01:15:00.708
I think in a lot of cases, if you're just true, if you start to your podcast and stay in your lane, I think for the most part you're yeah, you're gonna be okay yeah, well, craig says, aren't religious podcasts a hugely success?

01:15:00.750 --> 01:15:13.287
I don't know that they're hugely successful, yeah they can be, but it is a huge chunk of podcasts, are religions of all sorts, not just Christianity, and then dances.

01:15:13.287 --> 01:15:19.688
Those topics can easily become, can become quickly an echo chamber and then I love.

01:15:19.688 --> 01:15:24.569
Craig says maybe it's just a bad show, maybe the one-star review has nothing to do.

01:15:24.569 --> 01:15:35.585
But I'm not saying that you shouldn't do a religious or a political show or whatever.

01:15:35.585 --> 01:15:40.396
If you want to talk about sex and pronouns and all that other fun stuff, I'm not saying don't do that.

01:15:40.396 --> 01:15:43.569
I'm just saying realize that you're in in highly.

01:15:43.569 --> 01:15:56.127
You're in areas that people are highly passionate about and you're likely to get some people that are like you don't know, like I saw someone yesterday oh you know what, I'm not going to go there, but there was.

01:15:56.127 --> 01:15:59.275
They said one fact and I know for a fact.

01:15:59.275 --> 01:16:05.185
There are five other facts that you know and the problem is facts are a little squirrely these days.

01:16:05.185 --> 01:16:10.698
So DR says is writing a review or is it just clicking on a single star?

01:16:10.698 --> 01:16:12.210
That I don't know.

01:16:12.210 --> 01:16:16.091
But here's my thing I don't look at reviews.

01:16:16.091 --> 01:16:18.793
If Jim said hey, you got to check out this show.

01:16:18.793 --> 01:16:21.511
It's called the Gern Goes to College Show.

01:16:21.511 --> 01:16:23.886
I'm going to go over, I'm going to type in Gern.

01:16:23.886 --> 01:16:42.802
I'm going to find it and I'm going to click on follow and then I'm going to listen and I'm going to decide I won't even look at reviews and if I did and it said this is the dumbest show hosted by a guy named Gern, I'd be like, well, I'll be the decider of that and I would click follow and listen, because not everybody, you know.

01:16:42.802 --> 01:16:50.489
I remember when I was doing the podcast rodeo show and I would say, yeah, this show is, you know, and I'd have people like you're you, you don't get it.

01:16:50.489 --> 01:16:51.592
These guys are hilarious.

01:16:51.592 --> 01:16:54.847
I'm like, well, that's why I, that's why you should have your show on that show.

01:16:54.847 --> 01:16:56.810
Oh, my God, not everybody agrees with Dave.

01:16:56.810 --> 01:17:00.875
Yeah, podno says I used to have a mantra love your haters.

01:17:00.875 --> 01:17:06.421
Oh, I had a troll that I had a lot of fun with, usually because they want the attention.

01:17:06.421 --> 01:17:12.518
Yes, I have a clip of Marc Maron talking about trolls, but it is definitely not safe for work.

01:17:12.518 --> 01:17:19.251
But at the end he basically says ignore, ignore the trolls, but he explains how they.

01:17:19.251 --> 01:17:25.453
You know, daddy didn't get enough, daddy didn't give enough hugs, so you come to annoy me, blah, blah, blah.

01:17:25.453 --> 01:17:33.645
Randy says I was harassed by an individual on Facebook and Instagram because of an episode of my show, bible Bites, when I discussed Pride Month and sin.

01:17:33.645 --> 01:17:35.248
Yeah, that's again.

01:17:35.248 --> 01:17:36.332
So now you've got two.

01:17:36.332 --> 01:17:41.448
You've got religion and pronouns, and those two clubs don't typically get along.

01:17:41.448 --> 01:17:45.618
Even Craig said could be terrible audio.

01:17:45.618 --> 01:17:50.396
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff.

01:17:50.396 --> 01:17:50.939
Yeah, I love this.

01:17:50.939 --> 01:17:55.503
There's a pizza place somewhere that gives away pizza to people that leave one-star reviews on Yelp.

01:17:55.503 --> 01:17:57.030
Nice, well, that's a nice way to make friends.

01:17:58.289 --> 01:18:10.139
When I got into the whole fiasco podcast movement and their Ben Shapiro thing, it was really interesting because I woke up, I commented on it and just said, hey, I don't get it.

01:18:10.139 --> 01:18:12.493
Why can't that guy come to a podcast movement?

01:18:12.493 --> 01:18:17.850
There's a person I hate in my high school and he came to our reunion Like he has a right to be there.

01:18:17.850 --> 01:18:22.167
He's in my class and Ben Shapiro is a podcaster, so he has a right to be there.

01:18:22.167 --> 01:18:33.752
And I woke up the next day with a bunch of arrows in my back on Twitter and I just said hey, I even said at the beginning of this like I don't understand this space.

01:18:33.752 --> 01:18:34.435
I'm not in this space.

01:18:34.435 --> 01:18:37.365
I'm a middle-aged white guy, so you know like I'm going to say something stupid here.

01:18:37.806 --> 01:18:39.470
And then they all said you said something stupid.

01:18:39.470 --> 01:18:41.614
And I'm like, yeah, can we get on Zoom and talk about this?

01:18:41.614 --> 01:18:43.418
And people lost their mind.

01:18:43.418 --> 01:18:44.871
They're like, wait, what do you mean?

01:18:44.871 --> 01:18:47.173
I go, can we get on Zoom and have a conversation?

01:18:47.173 --> 01:18:52.845
And three people took me up on it and I was like, oh yeah, ok, I get your point, so, yeah.

01:18:52.845 --> 01:19:06.841
So just when I saw that, I was like, well, you know, if you're going to talk about I mean just talking about podcasting, some people are like you have old curmudgeons like me going YouTube is not a podcast, right?

01:19:06.841 --> 01:19:13.457
So every time somebody brings up videos like, oh, no, don't talk the bear, but what if it is?

01:19:13.757 --> 01:19:14.498
What if it is, mike?

01:19:17.305 --> 01:19:23.257
Yeah, and Danny says one of the things I enjoy about being a Gen X Scotsman is thick skin.

01:19:23.257 --> 01:19:27.194
Don't give a crap what other people think about me, except for those who matter.

01:19:27.194 --> 01:19:30.226
That is a big one, yeah, just I mean.

01:19:30.226 --> 01:19:41.117
Or one thing I learned from the Taylor Swift thing, which is kind of obvious but she turned off her comments on her Instagram like 10 years ago and she goes.

01:19:41.117 --> 01:19:41.658
I don't miss it.

01:19:41.658 --> 01:19:46.149
So, john Jemango, my show is about news and politics.

01:19:46.149 --> 01:19:47.452
I get hate mail all the time.

01:19:47.452 --> 01:19:50.346
It's none of my business what people think about me.

01:19:50.346 --> 01:19:51.149
There you go.

01:19:51.149 --> 01:19:53.996
So you know you're going to have that.

01:19:53.996 --> 01:19:54.837
It's it's.

01:19:54.837 --> 01:19:56.908
The problem is you can't get.

01:19:56.908 --> 01:19:59.412
Well, you could complain to Apple.

01:19:59.412 --> 01:20:05.786
I've heard of people, if it's along the lines of hate, like a hate crime or whatever it is.

01:20:05.786 --> 01:20:08.792
I've heard of people getting one-star reviews removed.

01:20:08.792 --> 01:20:13.650
But I just to me, I just don't put that much weight on reviews.

01:20:13.650 --> 01:20:18.970
I know we love a little pat on the back and I love good reviews, but you know, I can.

01:20:19.190 --> 01:20:40.109
my one-star review was a really bad, was a really bad ad for a really bad show, or something like that, you know so I can quote that one like scripture, you know so our, our negative reviews do impact us, but in theory I usually try to just brush it off or shake it off to, to quote the, the lovely Taylor Swift Billionaire, the billionaire.

01:20:40.130 --> 01:20:40.631
Taylor Swift.

01:20:41.746 --> 01:20:44.186
It's easy to shake it off when you got a couple.

01:20:44.287 --> 01:20:48.197
You know a couple billion, yeah, a couple of billion, just to throw on this.

01:20:48.197 --> 01:20:50.109
It's fine, we're going to get some hate mail on this one.

01:20:50.109 --> 01:20:51.895
Oh, I just realized I've been.

01:20:51.895 --> 01:20:56.854
I've been answering questions in chat from my live account on YouTube.

01:20:56.854 --> 01:20:58.618
It's not even me, shoot, sorry guys.

01:20:58.618 --> 01:21:05.037
I'm sure everybody knew who it was, but I just you know YouTube's got that thing right where you log in.

01:21:05.037 --> 01:21:07.193
I mean, is it a podcast or isn't it?

01:21:07.193 --> 01:21:08.510
But they've got this thing.

01:21:08.585 --> 01:21:14.113
I'm logged in with the wrong account, so I'm sorry about that Now I see your little glasses there, the Average Guy TV.

01:21:14.113 --> 01:21:15.067
Is that after?

01:21:15.067 --> 01:21:16.252
Did you log in and log back in?

01:21:16.786 --> 01:21:20.417
Yeah, usually I'm in my personal brand here for that.

01:21:20.417 --> 01:21:28.068
This is personal brand here for that.

01:21:28.068 --> 01:21:28.243
This is the life.

01:21:28.243 --> 01:21:29.634
That's my live channel, that I must have been doing some work in there, so, anyways, doesn't matter.

01:21:29.634 --> 01:21:30.239
Not to not to distract that was.

01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:30.572
That was stupid.

01:21:30.572 --> 01:21:32.050
I even mentioned it, as meta should have never mentioned it on the live show.

01:21:32.050 --> 01:21:36.393
Dr, thanks for that super chat that you holy cow, wait, what super chat.

01:21:36.935 --> 01:21:40.726
That means we got to do that, yay, so thank you very much for that.

01:21:40.726 --> 01:21:43.435
That's a beautiful thing, and I always have to wait.

01:21:43.454 --> 01:21:49.426
Well, and she did say the empowered podcasting event in charlotte right now oh, yeah, at the end of the month.

01:21:49.426 --> 01:21:52.195
26, 27, 28 it is on the weekend.

01:21:52.195 --> 01:21:58.470
So if you were complaining yes, if you were complaining about podcast movement being during the week, this is one on the weekend.

01:21:58.470 --> 01:22:03.579
The code epPCLD50 will get you 50% off.

01:22:03.579 --> 01:22:09.615
Epcld50 gets you 50% off until it's a Labor Day weekend sale.

01:22:09.615 --> 01:22:13.625
So most of our live folks, and maybe will you publish this by the 5th.

01:22:13.685 --> 01:22:18.694
Yes, this will be out today and it went out yesterday in the PodPage newsletter.

01:22:18.694 --> 01:22:26.048
I'm really looking forward to this event and so I promoted it on LinkedIn, on Twitter, on blue, even on blue sky.

01:22:26.048 --> 01:22:35.317
I never log into blue, but there's blue sky and threads and Mark is a great guy, mark Roenick, and I'm looking forward to me.

01:22:35.317 --> 01:22:36.945
I kind of go this.

01:22:36.945 --> 01:22:43.756
This smells like early pod fest, yeah, and that was the best, and so this is is a great sale.

01:22:43.756 --> 01:22:49.819
If you're thinking of going bucks off basically right, it's 200 bucks off and the hotel isn't super.

01:22:50.360 --> 01:22:50.782
It's not.

01:22:50.782 --> 01:22:52.246
It's not the gay lord, but what is?

01:22:52.246 --> 01:22:57.846
It's not a red roof in, but that's kind of a good thing most of the red roof fins I've ever even seen.

01:22:58.568 --> 01:23:01.953
Yeah, it's a super eight yeah don't, yeah, I'm what.

01:23:02.014 --> 01:23:03.195
What's your go-to hotel?

01:23:04.118 --> 01:23:05.079
a holiday inn express.

01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.110
Yeah, that's me, even though we joke about that.

01:23:07.110 --> 01:23:08.052
Yeah, it's the one.

01:23:08.052 --> 01:23:11.090
I stay at all the time it's not you stay in a holiday express.

01:23:11.109 --> 01:23:16.797
Yeah, it's usually a little over 100 bucks yeah, you know hampton inn is another one, but those can get kind of pricey.

01:23:16.797 --> 01:23:19.326
But holiday inn express is.

01:23:19.326 --> 01:23:22.768
It's the one I'm like, okay, and and then I use my Expedia account.

01:23:23.429 --> 01:23:25.170
It used to be a solid 99.

01:23:25.170 --> 01:23:26.451
That was back in the day.

01:23:26.451 --> 01:23:29.792
Oh yeah 99, 900 bucks for a room.

01:23:29.792 --> 01:23:30.113
You could.

01:23:30.113 --> 01:23:31.793
You could do it pretty solidly now.

01:23:31.793 --> 01:23:35.697
Not so much, but it sounds like it's going to be a good event.

01:23:36.176 --> 01:23:38.878
Yeah, if you, it's in Charlotte, north Carolina.

01:23:38.878 --> 01:23:42.962
So if you're near them, check it out, but it's going to.

01:23:42.962 --> 01:23:43.863
For me it just.

01:23:43.863 --> 01:23:48.926
You know, we've got a lot of indie podcasters there.

01:23:48.926 --> 01:23:50.288
You can connect, you can learn and grow, you can collaborate.

01:23:50.288 --> 01:23:56.206
I mean, I here's the thing in terms of what happens when you go to these events.

01:23:56.206 --> 01:23:58.529
So I went to the one in Cleveland.

01:23:58.529 --> 01:24:01.014
Well, first I went to Podcast Movement.

01:24:01.014 --> 01:24:11.025
I met a bunch of our customers, but I also my favorite thing of Podcast Movement was Deidre from not Cap Show, no Cap Show, that's where she's from.

01:24:11.025 --> 01:24:26.011
I had a baby and it was like a baby, like three-month-old baby, which is the best because they can hold up their own head, but they're still and she's just like Wait a minute, was it three months old when she had it or was it three months after she had the unusual?

01:24:26.051 --> 01:24:26.811
Yeah, yeah.

01:24:27.153 --> 01:24:31.087
So the baby was three months and she just goes, do you do cuddles?

01:24:31.087 --> 01:24:32.590
And I go what?

01:24:32.590 --> 01:24:37.708
And she hands me a baby and I was like, oh, it's got that new baby smell, like.

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And she just went, you're making all those baby noises.

01:24:41.117 --> 01:24:47.273
And and then, because she was a female, she cried and wanted nothing to do with me and I was like that is the typical.

01:24:47.292 --> 01:24:48.215
Guys can cry too.

01:24:48.215 --> 01:24:49.747
Dave, Guys can cry too.

01:24:49.747 --> 01:24:50.948
I would have cried too.

01:24:50.948 --> 01:24:51.850
I'm just going to say it.

01:24:51.890 --> 01:24:56.770
That was awesome, but at the content creator expo.

01:24:57.471 --> 01:25:08.497
This keynote speaker got up there's a local thing in Ohio called signal and they're trying to bring back local news and I said hey, I've reached out to the local Akron chapter.

01:25:08.497 --> 01:25:10.868
I can't get anybody to return my email.

01:25:10.868 --> 01:25:13.434
I said I do a podcast about Akron Ohio.

01:25:13.434 --> 01:25:14.655
I go, I need content.

01:25:14.655 --> 01:25:16.667
And I go you guys need exposure.

01:25:16.667 --> 01:25:18.510
I'm thinking peanut butter and jelly.

01:25:18.510 --> 01:25:19.912
And she goes that sounds like a great idea.

01:25:19.912 --> 01:25:21.354
I go yeah, I've emailed your editor.

01:25:21.354 --> 01:25:24.060
I can't get anybody in Akron to even say no.

01:25:24.060 --> 01:25:25.890
And she goes oh, here's my card.

01:25:25.890 --> 01:25:28.810
And I said here's my card, I go because I do podcasting.

01:25:28.810 --> 01:25:29.926
She goes oh, she goes.

01:25:29.926 --> 01:25:30.890
Well, I'm from Columbus.

01:25:30.890 --> 01:25:35.237
She goes I know a senator that's getting ready to launch a podcast, but he needs some help.

01:25:35.237 --> 01:25:46.155
And I go please give him these things that happen when you go to a live event if you make sure to get out of your shell.

01:25:46.176 --> 01:25:47.884
You know I got to hang out with Shane Whaley for pretty much the whole conference.

01:25:47.884 --> 01:26:06.569
We sat next to each other most of the sessions and the beautiful thing is when I went to if I go back to Chicago, that was the podcast event for higher education and Greg from rsscom said you're not a podcast, you're a brand and he goes.

01:26:06.569 --> 01:26:11.850
You have to figure out what you want to be known for and I thought that was amazing.

01:26:11.850 --> 01:26:14.756
It sounds silly but I really thought about it.

01:26:14.756 --> 01:26:19.975
But I met Katie Brinkley, I believe, at Podcast Movement.

01:26:19.975 --> 01:26:25.166
I eventually had her on my show and I know this guy named Jay Acunzo.

01:26:25.166 --> 01:26:29.978
I've read his book, he's a big shot, smarty pants guy and he's a great speaker.

01:26:29.978 --> 01:26:38.635
He was there to talk about presenting and at the end of it I kind of wanted to meet him and I saw him walking by and I just said, hey, jay, that was a great presentation.

01:26:38.635 --> 01:26:41.537
And he came over and shook my hand.

01:26:41.577 --> 01:26:48.096
We had like this little baby conversation but he started off with like hey, I met somebody last night that said I should meet you.

01:26:48.096 --> 01:26:53.154
So here again, knowing having people know what you're known for.

01:26:53.154 --> 01:26:55.599
And then it was Katie Brinkley.

01:26:55.599 --> 01:27:03.940
And so then she walked by and she goes oh, you two are, she's like it's happening, it's happening, so it's, it's the.

01:27:03.940 --> 01:27:08.014
And I don't know that you get that from Zoom meetings and those types of things.

01:27:08.014 --> 01:27:12.797
I think when you go to an empowered, you know this is their second one.

01:27:12.797 --> 01:27:13.942
Stephanie wants to know.

01:27:13.942 --> 01:27:14.864
Is it always in Charlotte.

01:27:14.864 --> 01:27:23.667
I don't know where the first one was, to be honest with you, but yeah, so yeah, if you haven't been to a conference.

01:27:23.667 --> 01:27:29.259
Also, if you go into the PodFest group, they're doing a lot of local meetups.

01:27:29.259 --> 01:27:34.990
Like I know, they're going to be in Los Angeles next week, so you know, keep that in mind.

01:27:34.990 --> 01:27:36.333
Did you see the PodNose?

01:27:36.755 --> 01:27:37.417
I did not.

01:27:37.516 --> 01:27:39.872
Holy cow, do I have to hit this again?

01:27:39.872 --> 01:27:41.970
And somewhere I have this.

01:27:41.970 --> 01:27:45.532
There we go, the full effect of that.

01:27:45.532 --> 01:27:46.234
Thank you very much.

01:27:46.234 --> 01:27:50.274
Thank you for two years of entertaining every Monday morning on the treadmill.

01:27:50.274 --> 01:27:54.771
Thank you, I'd give you more, but Cridlin and Sethi swallowed the other 50% of my thank you money.

01:27:54.771 --> 01:27:57.457
That Cridlin guy, that Cridlin First of all who?

01:27:58.284 --> 01:27:59.166
And then second of all man.

01:27:59.166 --> 01:28:00.106
He's high maintenance he.

01:28:00.106 --> 01:28:01.349
And then second of all man, he's high maintenance.

01:28:01.389 --> 01:28:04.313
He's talking all the time writing all the time.

01:28:04.372 --> 01:28:05.173
Come on, Cridlin.

01:28:06.175 --> 01:28:08.578
Flying all over the world giving us information.

01:28:08.578 --> 01:28:10.720
No stuff, jeez, yeah, that's it, andy.

01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:12.689
That's it Giving us information.

01:28:12.689 --> 01:28:14.032
We can't find other places.

01:28:14.032 --> 01:28:14.854
What are you thinking?

01:28:14.875 --> 01:28:17.487
about Emails Cridlin, you send me too many emails.

01:28:19.328 --> 01:28:19.929
That's it.

01:28:19.929 --> 01:28:23.712
Well, Jim, what is coming up on Home Gadget Geeks?

01:28:24.193 --> 01:28:25.255
Yeah, I almost never do this.

01:28:25.255 --> 01:28:31.261
A couple weeks ago I was talking about this Lutron plug that you can put outside.

01:28:31.261 --> 01:28:32.542
You know I do gadget reviews.

01:28:32.542 --> 01:28:36.230
I didn't do a podcast this week so I thought I'll indulge me for a second.

01:28:36.230 --> 01:28:38.757
I'll throw the link to the review that I did in the chat.

01:28:38.757 --> 01:28:40.331
I don't do a lot of reviews.

01:28:40.331 --> 01:28:41.546
Love some feedback on it.

01:28:41.546 --> 01:28:43.712
If you would, I threw the link in the chat.

01:28:43.712 --> 01:28:47.069
If you want to head out there and just give me some feedback on the review, that would be awesome.

01:28:47.069 --> 01:28:49.701
But yeah, you can take a week off and I did that.

01:28:49.701 --> 01:28:53.391
I had a buddy get married this weekend, long wedding weekend.

01:28:53.391 --> 01:28:57.006
We had ceremonies Wednesday, thursday, friday and then lunch today.

01:28:57.006 --> 01:29:00.572
So you can get it now at theaverageguytv.

01:29:01.533 --> 01:29:12.176
There we go, and on the School of Podcasting, it's question of the month time, and so the question of the month was have you ever hired somebody to work on your podcast?

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If so, what?

01:29:12.936 --> 01:29:15.350
For what did they do and how did it work out?

01:29:15.350 --> 01:29:21.975
And that was a question from the one and only Mark Ducote from podcastbrandingco.

01:29:21.975 --> 01:29:27.354
So that'll be coming up on the show along with probably some of the stuff I just talked about.

01:29:27.354 --> 01:29:38.270
I really it's one of those things where I didn't realize how much live events can help until COVID, and that's when I just saw a lot of my show go.

01:29:38.270 --> 01:29:43.956
So, wow, we've got hot takes in the chat room.

01:29:43.956 --> 01:29:45.057
Holy cow.

01:29:45.057 --> 01:29:47.652
It's time to refer to my political choice.

01:29:47.652 --> 01:29:50.354
Well, you know again, political choices.

01:29:50.354 --> 01:29:55.534
I remember when people could just like oh, you're a Democrat, yeah, I'm a Republican.

01:29:55.574 --> 01:29:57.018
No, no, no, no, Dave, that's never existed.

01:29:57.018 --> 01:29:58.372
That's a fantasy.

01:29:58.372 --> 01:30:04.435
We have always been getting after each other about stuff since the beginning.

01:30:04.435 --> 01:30:05.396
Cain and Abel friends.

01:30:05.858 --> 01:30:06.698
Cain and Abel.

01:30:06.719 --> 01:30:09.532
That's right, we've always been getting after each other.

01:30:09.532 --> 01:30:11.431
So don't think the old days were great.

01:30:11.431 --> 01:30:12.951
They weren't any better than they are today.

01:30:13.686 --> 01:30:15.824
So thanks, guys, for all the kind words.

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We will see you next week with another episode of Ask the Podcast Coach.