Best Practices for Podcast Co-Hosts, Cloud Storage, and Avoiding Website Fiascos

Introduction

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Ask the Podcast Coach for May 16th, 2026. Let's get ready to podcast. There it is, it's that music. It means it is Saturday morning. It is time for Ask the Podcast Coach, where you get your podcast questions answered live. I'm Dave Jackson from the School of Podcasting.com, and joining me right over there is the one and only Santa Claus. Oh, wait, no, it's Jim Covison from theAverageGuy.tv. Jim, how's it going, buddy?

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SPEAKER_00 0:43

Greetings, Dave. Happy Saturday morning to you. When I put this shirt on this morning, I didn't quite expect the brightness of red. And uh even twice it's red. It's still really red.

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Back to Basics: Social Media Promotion

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Podcast Website Design

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Well, one of the things I I've seen this week are things that I we could almost call this back to the basics. Oh, by the way, thanks to Daniel J. Lewis for the shout-out on the Audacity to Podcast. He mentioned our show, so I'm mentioning him. Daniel's a great guy. And this could be called back to the basics because number one is I saw someone on social and I was like, are we seriously still doing this? And this was the post. It was new episode out. That was it, and a link. And I was like, Do you really think that's going to grow your audience? Because the people that might click on that are people that know what your show is, so that you can go in and you know, somebody goes, Oh wow, Jim has a new episode out. Great, I'm gonna click on it. But the person who doesn't know what your show is, new episode out is like, look, I created something. I'm not going to tell you what it is or why you should listen to it, but look, I've made something new. Look, you know, so that that doesn't work. And then the other one, I was gonna uh Jody Krangel was on this show. I guess I'm gonna throw him under the bus. I say this with love and compassion. The show is called Monetize This, where podcasting best practices come to die. So that caught my eye. Great title. And the thing that surprised me about this, in fact, let's just look, you know what? I'm sorry, Dave, because Dave is the guy's name. And there is Jody on the uh the page there, your podcast needs more duck sounds. And I'll put a link to this in the show notes later. But this is a Substack. Now, let me say this. I know I work for Podpage, so you're like, oh, he's picking on this because he works for Podpage. But the thing is, if I wanted you to go to this to the best of my knowledge, because what's listed in if we go over to Pocket Cast, this is his website, monetize this podcast. Substack dot com slash podcast. That's easy to remember. And so I I you know I listen to this, and of course, Jody's great, and the show is great. He's got Alex San Filippo, but number one, I went to contact him. Notice what's not in the navigation. There's no way. So I actually had to go over and somehow not even in the about?

SPEAKER_00 6:03

There's what's in the about. That's where I would have gone as to about, right? So scroll down. And I can I can give him money.

SPEAKER_02 6:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Oh, there's a pledge. There's a message right there.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Where?

SPEAKER_00 6:13

You can leave a message.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

Well, I did notice this. Yeah, and that's what I finally had to do. And I you can see here, I said, hey, I was listening to Jody on your show, but was amazing work. Don't you think you should have a domain for this? So I this is not something I, you know, I've already told him, granted, it was 30 minutes ago, but I to me, you should have a domain for your website. Because this is the beauty of a domain is let's say you start off and you're using, I don't know, BuzzSprout, Captivate, whoever, RSS.com, you can have, you know, Jim's House of Smelt.com and point it at whatever website you use, and then later, when you get smart and you upgrade a pod page or Substack or you know, whatever, like have a domain because how are how is your audience supposed to tell people about your show without saying, oh, just find him wherever you find your podcast, because we know that's a bad thing to say, because if people go to find you in Spotify, especially, they can't seem to find you. So those are just two things that I was like, that's kind of and again, not to throw Dave Beck Beckmeyer, because I've subs here's the good news, Dave. You got a new subscriber today because of Jody Krangel from Voiceovers and oh, I should know it's voiceoversandvocals.com. She does the audio branding podcast. I should know that. She's an awesome supporter. But well, here, is it in because she was on an episode about you need more duck sounds in your podcast, and they were talking about how that can kind of mess things up. And as I scroll down, let's see if Dave has, yes, I was close. Voiceovers and vocals.com. I got it right. That's where you can find uh Jody. So though to me, uh that that just seems am I being am I being uh what's the word here? Am I being too harsh on people?

SPEAKER_00 8:03

A little harsh?

SPEAKER_02 8:04

A little harsh.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

No, I mean, no. I yeah, I think it's a best practice to have a have a simplified URL, right, for that. Right. I do think we're getting beyond uh the days of of URLs, though. I mean, I I don't it you know, it used to be everything was this, this dot com, this, that I mean, a lot of those things are gone. You know, you're trying to be creative with it. I I don't know. I I do I do I I don't is it port important? Yes. Should you have one if you can? Yes. Should you pay five thousand dollars to get one that's in your you know, if my my smelting podcast is dot com is not available, do I you know, do I pay five thousand dollars for it? Maybe I know I'm not gonna. So, you know, yeah, yes, Dave, I think it's I think it's important. If you can get a hold of a URL and it's simplified, the easiest way to do it is to send people to homegadgetge.com, right? For my podcast, that makes sense. HomeGadgetGeeks.com. I got that a long time ago, and that it it works for what we do. Do you have to? I think that's up to you. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

I are you like me? I have a.fm, I think I have sold a podcast of.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

I had a jimcollison.me for a while that I didn't ever use, so I let it go. I am not like you. I keep five, I maybe have four or five URLs. I know this, listen, I know this is the house that that Ruth built. And you have built a lot of URLs in your right in your in your stack.

Making Co-Hosting Work

SPEAKER_02 9:40

Over the last since like November, I've probably let well I sold one. That was cool, but I'm gonna say I've let at least 40 go that I've just like, you know what, you're never gonna do that. Like you'd see like, go, that'd be a great idea, and you'd go buy the domain. Hey, Mark Golly from practicalprepping.info. I have increased my volume and decreased Jim. He was saying we were we were out of volume level. Things about going back to the basics, this kind of fits when it comes to co-hosts. Ralph had asked they had about what makes a co-host work, where have you seen it go wrong? I saw it go wrong at Libson, where Ernie and Bert got in a big old fight, and what would happen was Bert would go in and start deleting all the files. Like, if if I can't be on the show, you can't have the show, and they would just delete everything, and it was like a cat and just nasty. It was and they're deleting the website, and they're you know, going to social and calling it's just and the the sad thing is is if you went to their website before you know Ernie deleted it, it said Ernie and Bert have been friends since childhood. You know, they've been great friends, and now they're just like beating the snot out of each other. So it's gone be and the reason why, in many, many cases, in the immortal words of Cindy Lopper, money changes everything. And so all of a sudden money started coming in and Bert wasn't pulling his weight, and Ernie says he was, and it just it gets ugly. So so Jim, what do you think the keys are to making it work? Because you've had co-hosts as well on on different shows.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

Yeah, we and of course you and I we've talked about this a bunch on here, but I think it's always I think it's always important to remind um folks of of the process on this. So I don't I don't think it's bad to talk about it again. I think really clear expectations in the beginning of what we're doing here, Dave. You and I have an annual exercise where we say or I say publicly on the show, any you know, any super chat, any Patreon, the the you know, anything that you are subscribing to that is supporting this show, ask the podcast coach, it's going right to Dave. The one exception is I have a Patreon level for this mob for this for the cop for the coffee cup. So Dan, Dan, and that goes directly to me. Hold that back. Oh, sorry. Yeah, so yeah, based on a true story and based on a true storypodcast.com. So that is mine, and that goes to Patreon. So we have very we've separated the finances on this, and you've tried to send me money in the past, and I'm like, no, don't do it. Like, I'm good. I I'm here because I want to be here, I'm here because I like doing what we do. So, not saying that as a humble brag, I'm saying that is because you and I have that kind of well, maybe I am, but I I'm I'm also saying it as we have very clear expectations that we rehearse almost on an annual basis, maybe every six months. And so I think that's super key to say, and you've said this to me. Hey, I got this big, you know, we got this big donation, we'll call it, we'll call it a donation so that the IRS doesn't get get I got this big donation. Do you want some of it? And I've been like, nah, like I'm good. Don't you you keep it, like you're you do the lion's share of the work. We also have an agreement uh between the two of us of who does the work on this thing. And I show up at 9 30 central and I'm done at 1130 or at 11 o'clock central, and I don't touch the files, I don't post them, I don't, you know, you know, I'll like and do all the other things, you know, and on LinkedIn and some of those other things for the post. But we have you you don't hound me about you don't come to me in a passive aggressive way and go, oh gee, I spent all afternoon doing the podcast. Sure would be nice if somebody else would you never once never have said that to me. And so for us, there's we have this agreement, but I think the key is we talk about it often. Now the the show forces some of that. Like, because people like Ralph ask us this question from time to time how do you guys do the relationship? So the the the show forces it. So if you're not if the if you have a show where that's not forced, you're gonna have to come up with some kind of reminder to say, hey, let's talk about our agreement. If it's if money, if lots of money is involved, I think, and I'm not a lawyer and I didn't stay at a holiday and express last night, but I think you get it in writing, right? If it's if there's gonna be a lot of money, and a lot of money is more than what pisses you off when you don't get it. Like you have to be willing to be like, yeah, okay, if I don't get if I get mad over 50 bucks, I better have an agreement that's got a level of 50 bucks in it, right? Those kinds of things. Because you just need to be super clear about it, right? So I think that's from a professional standpoint, Dave. I think that's those are a couple things I'd I'd put out there.

SPEAKER_02 14:36

Yeah. Back in the day when I was in a band, I was the guy that was kind of managing the business side. And I would walk in with an envelope that was normally in my sock drawer, and I was like, we have$38 in the band fund. Here it is, and then we would talk, and then people like, okay, great, whatever. But nobody ever wondered how much is in the band fund and is Dave spending it. It was always like, let's be truthful, and then it was like, and then like the bass player like, hey, I need, can I borrow 12 bucks from the band fund? I got to get new bass strings, and we'd all vote on it, and like, yep, here's your 12 bucks. And then I'd come back the next day and I'm like, okay, we have$26 in the band fund. Last week, you know, Ryan spent$12 on base. It was all as long as you're talking about it, because otherwise, oh, where'd it go? John says, I rage quit and deleted a show, and then after a month we mented fences and started the show back up and recorded 97 more episodes. So that's I I think we've all said and done things in the heat of the battle that you later regret, especially if you're married, because often your spouse will never ever forget the things you said when you were really, really bad. So be careful with that. But it there is a thing, the other thing I think that makes it work is and I don't know what you call it, I guess chemistry. When when Jim isn't here and somebody else fills in, it's a different rhythm. It's a different, like Jim knows to kind of watch what I'm doing, so he knows when to keep talking or whatever, and it's just different. It's and it's not bad, it's just not that kind of flow thing, you know. And so the only way you do that is if you think about it, I just watched, it was a whole for me. Now, if you're a female, you will love this movie. In fact, it was so much of a chick flick, and I say that with love and adoration, that it was like like almost perfection because it was all about the buildup of the relationship. It's withering heights on I think it was Netflix or Hulu or something, but I forget what this has to do with podcasting now. I was talking about oh, the chemistry. So when these two people had chemistry, Margot Robbie and some really hot dude, and they had tons of chemistry, the only way you do that is what do they do in the movies? They do scenes together and they film right.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

So, you know, if you're gonna audition potential co-hosts, record an episode with them and then go back and you know, not only did they deliver value, could they, you know, were they confident on the mic, but did you have a chemistry with them? Because for me, I think half the fun of this show is I think both Jim and I have a a fair sense of humor, and we tend to make each other chuckle from time to time, which makes the show entertaining.

SPEAKER_00 17:31

So we're the only ones that laugh at our jokes, though. You know that, right? Like no one we think we're hilarious, but outside of this, nobody like nobody's laughing. I I mean I appreciate you guys in the chat room thinking sometimes or saying nice things that were funny, but we know we you know, we know nobody's laughing at our jokes. They're like they think they're funny.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

Another fun Dave band story. We had a really good drummer, Larry Spencer, and Larry would occasionally now we're a blues band, blues and swing. And every now and then Larry, because he was Larry, would throw in a really inappropriate, kind of metallica-ish drum part in the middle of like, you know, jump jive in a whale. And so we're all complaining about Larry throwing in these inappropriate parts. So before a gig, we went to Larry and said, Hey, like you keep playing inappropriate parts. It's very impressive technically, and we know you're a great drummer, but it's not appropriate for the song. And Larry was like, Oh, okay. And so that whole gig, it was amazing. So you have to let people know when they're doing something. Now, the really part, then this is why bands suck. We fired him anyway. And I I was the one person that said, No, no, he did great. And the other four guys were dead set against it. But yeah, it's it's have that awkward conversation, and most of the time you come out on the other side much better.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

So I don't think it needs to be awkward, by the way. I don't know if that needs to be an awkward thing. I think you can, you know, uh if you're trying somebody out, I mean, I think here's a great example or a workflow that you can follow. Have them on your show, give it a try. Do it one time. Don't commit anything up front. Don't say this is gonna be forever. Oh I had an old friend say to me a long time ago, Jim, I was always like, Hey, we're gonna make this an annual thing. You know, is this the first annual? He says, You never say first annual, right? You always the when you pick up annual, it's always the second annual. Do it one time to see if you even want to do it again. That was some of the smartest advice. I haven't really thought of it that way. It was some of the smartest advice I got around podcasting, is before you start thinking like, oh yeah, this is gonna be a thing, you know, just do it once. It may be terrible, and you may decide like, hey, that was a bad idea. Let's not do that again. You can you can then get you can then get out of it, right? And I think that's an easy way. I think with podcasting, it's the same way. Give it a try, see how it goes. If you like it, you know, keep then then have say, hey, uh, listen, I'd like you to consider this. And the I think the earlier you say it, the easier it is to say. So I think you can pull this person aside and say, hey, like I I would really like you to consider being a co-host, but this is what it means to be a co-host on my show. You show up on time, you come prepared, you have, you know, you're not drunk, you don't write these these kind, right, these kinds of things. And then you can have that get it out early. Set the expectations early for whatever you have there.

PWA vs. WordPress for Podcast Websites

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Yeah. And you can actually write this out, not to be super legal, but point out like expectations like, hey, if you miss, you know, more than three episodes in a 12-week period, I reserve the right to like fire you, or you know, whatever it is, with the Podpage School of Podcasting things. One of the biggest things, the section we worked on was what happens if this doesn't go the way we want it to? Like, how do we unravel this without losing the Dave Brendan Podpage connection? So, you know, it's again, it sounds awkward to like talk about, well, let's talk about what what will get us fired, because that sounds negative. But at least that way you know ahead of time, hey, if if I have if I'm not gonna make it this week, you know, my co-host has asked that I give them at least a three-day notice so that they don't end up wasting their time sitting in a Zoom meeting waiting for you to show up. John says he went through seven different co-hosts in those 97 episodes, but around episode 30, I found a great co-host. If you if you do auditions and you only get one person and that person is awful, do not take that person. My church did that. I remember we voted for a pastor because nobody else had we said, hey, we need a new pastor. And this guy showed up and like he did a sermon, and I was like, that was very meh. Nothing against the guy, but it was it he did not set things on fire. And later we voted, and and I was the only person that was like, no, let's keep looking. And they was like, Well, he's the only guy that signed up. And I'm like, Well, guess what? And you know, he his most of his sermons were meh, and the church lost a lot of members because that's kind of you know, 30% of your your content. And if we look at this, if we take the religion out of church, 20% of the content was meh. And that's not, you're not going to have people, you know, telling their friends to come. Let's see here. What else is going on here? We did have uh, oh, Craig had a question. Craig from Inglaus Podcast, a friend of mine has offered a oh, this is always tricky, has offered to change my podcast website from WordPress, where he uses Elementor, to a PWA, better known as a progressive web app. I know nothing about PWAs. Is a PWA a solid option to WordPress and PodPage? The tricky part here is you want to make sure you know how to control whatever you're using to make a PWA, which just looks like an app. I you might reach out to the guy from TrueFans, Sam Stefi, because when he first built TrueFans, which is now it's a media host, back then it was just a listening app, and it was a PWA because he didn't want to have to make an app for Apple. And he said, I don't know what's up with America, but they hate PWAs because occasionally the formatting would be just like this much off, and you'd have to maybe not only scroll up and down, but you might have to scroll left to right just ever so slightly. And he said that blew Americans' minds that they had to scroll in two different ways. So I don't know, Jim, do you know a lot about PWAs? I do. I don't.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

I don't. That's an area I haven't spent a lot of time on. Yeah. There listen, there we're in a phase right now with AI in particular where you can kind of just AI your own website. You know, there's a lot of vibe. I'm putting this in quotes. There's a lot of vibe coding going on right now. Some of it's really good, some of it's not. And you know, it kind of depends on your patience. This, you know, the this with this AI movement and vibe coding and you coding your own stuff, it's super helpful. I think one of the, you know, in the last six, seven, eight weeks, I've been doing a lot of open claw stuff. And, you know, one of the things I've learned about the code end of it is yeah, it can do a lot of stuff. If you don't guide it well, it's still poorly done. You know, and so you could set up a website that you kind of go after on your own, or if you're gonna have somebody in in this case, Greg, I think if you got somebody who knows what they're doing, um, I think you've got a good, you know, you got a good start there. But this isn't a weekend thing. You're gonna spend some time, you know, making making the conversion, making it work, going back and testing it, making sure it's the way you wanted in the past. It never is fully functional on day one. You're gonna find some things, oh yeah, I forgot we did this kind of thing. And so have you know, bring your you know, bring your patience with you as you start going about this. But we're like we're in a we live in a day now. You literally could have AI set up a brand new website for you in a couple hours, and it looks pretty good. But then you could do the same thing with Squarespace or you know, Podpage or some of those kinds of things where it's all set up for you. So I I'm not moving away from WordPress. I like it. I is it is it old school? Yeah, probably is. I like it. I just spent some time this weekend working with OpenClaw to build like a post generator for me. Are those already out there? Yes, they're already out there. There's services that are doing this. This is fine. I'm not reinventing the wheel. No, I am reinventing the wheel, but I want to learn how it works. For me, the key on all this is figuring out. I'm gonna I'm interested in the engineering and the plumbing. So I'm spending a lot of time learning from the AI. I know that sounds weird. Like, oftentimes we we think the AI is just gonna do it for us, and I'm looking at how the AI is doing it. I'm like, oh, that's okay. I thought of that. That's kind of cool. This is good. No, I wouldn't do it that way. And and so it's a good uh a good learning opportunity. Just know as you go, any website change, always a fiasco. Always, no matter how much planning or preparation. Dave, in your basement, you've been having some basement work being done. Never goes exactly like you expect, right?

SPEAKER_02 26:27

No, all of a sudden you go, we have to have the city come turn off the water to the whole house. And then and then the city goes, Oh, wait, that valve doesn't work. We're like, what? Oh, it was great fun. Craig says, That's the thing. My friend coded it in AI and in minutes. The demo looks okay, but I'm nervous about changing over. Yeah, I I would that would be a no for me. If I'm like, because here's I like A, now in this case, he gave you a demo, and it's great. It's always awkward when the audience does something for you. Like the school of podcasting logo that Mark did for me, somebody did one for me, and I was like, Yeah, that's thanks so much. It's that's that's really in my head thinking, not what I was looking for, but it was cool. Yeah, and I showed it to Mark, and I go, What I was looking for was like a you know, the a coat of arms, like you know, Harvard or something, and he came up with a school, and I'm like, that's exactly what I was looking for. Yeah, the thing at the upper right-hand corner. So it's tricky when you have a friend because now, you know, they have a baby, and you're like, hey, I need this updated for next week's episode. And they're like, Yeah, we're going out of town to grandma's house. And you're like, well, wait, what? So that's the only tricky part. And like, I know um I use Heartbeat for the membership and the courses at the School of Podcasting, and they've built this really cool AI tool where I can now go in, like the podcasting is six weeks class. I said, Hey, like I'm designing this class, and it asked me a bunch of questions and did everything. It also did one thing I didn't want it to do, which was email everybody, everybody that they were subscribed to it. I was like, no, no, no, no, oops. But they showed how you're gonna be able to do the front page of your heartbeat site using their AI. And I was like, but what if I wanted to make that bold? And their answer was, oh, just right-click on it and ask AI. And I was like, I always want the ability to go in and do it manually. I don't want to always have to ask AI to do stuff because from what I've heard, AI doesn't always, A, know how it did it, and B, it won't do it again exactly. I mean, I've asked. Yeah, so it's it's one of those things that's tricky.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

It's not it's not consistent. It's a lot like humans from that regard. Like we do things different. You're like, oh, I know I did it this way, but I'm gonna try and do it that way. I mean, this is a learning neural network, right? That thinks like, oh, I did it this way, and then the wind's blowing a little bit in a different direction, so I'm gonna try it differently this time. And so you gotta that that predictability. Craig, the one the one more thing I would say is nothing gets between you and a friend quicker than work done for free. Right? Oh, I want to do this work for you, right? Then they change it over and you go and you start having problems, and you're like, hey, this doesn't work, and oh, that didn't work, and then that didn't work, and then that didn't work. Then if the friend disappears, and they're like, I I gotta get away from this guy. Like, this isn't and if you're picky, if this is where you have to do some self-evaluation, I'm not saying you, Craig, but for when we're doing self-evaluation around working with friends, you have to ask yourself, Am I the guy who's gonna insist that this work be done perfectly? And if the answer is yes, you pay for it. Like you never do this for free because you're gonna keep going back to that friend, like, oh, could you could you do could you do this? Could you fix that? Could you, you know, if you're that guy or go, you you need to you you need to have a little self-awareness because the free stuff's never gonna work. They're gonna get pissed and they're gonna disappear on you. So a little self-reflection on this, especially something as big as your podcast website. Make sure you're going in eyes wide open, you just got this kind of thing figured out, so you're you're not it's because it's gonna be like I said, it's gonna be a fiasco. It always is. Oh, this is easy. I could do this in a weekend. I I've done some work like that for friends, like, hey, could you because it happens, Dave, the other way, right? Someone knows you can do some work, and they're like, Hey, could you just trim my tree a little bit? Like could you just come over, right? Just have a branch or two. Never works that way. But like, you know, pretty soon you're taking the whole tree down.

SPEAKER_02 30:39

My grandma was the best for that. Could you come over and rake some leaves? Sure. And like you get over, and they're like, hey, while you're here, can you paint the house? And I'm like, wait, what?

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Yeah. Craig says he gets it. He says, I get it, Jim, but this has been a friend with me that's been with me and the podcast for over 10 years. Be even more cautious. I'm not, I'm not, listen, you you know the situation. I just I want to err on the side of caution on these kinds of things. Just be know all those things going in. You never know till it you never know a relationship is over until the door slams. And then you're like, okay, it's over. And so just be careful. Just be careful in there.

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SPEAKER_00 35:46

Good one.

Best Cloud-Based Storage for Data

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Yeah, there's it's look at how many gigs do you get per dollar? And if it's not like you know, Jim's house of storage, you know, some guy in his basement, not that there's anything wrong with a guy in his basement, but you know, you might basement. Settle down there, Dave Jackson. You might you're not yet, but you might be soon. Yeah. Do you have any favorites, Jim?

SPEAKER_00 36:13

Yeah, that's a good question. Uh the the very first thing I always say, the best cloud-based storage is the one you're currently using in some cases, right? Or that you have access to. Do an inventory of some of the big ones like Google or Microsoft, and say, do I already have storage with them because of things I've bought? You might have bought an Office 365 or a Microsoft now, 365 subscription. You might have Google, you might have bought like this. Is what happened to me. I have Google Mail that I bought. TheaverageGuy.tv is kind of powered by Google behind the scenes. I've been paying for that for a lot of years. Used to be super cheap. It was like three bucks. Now it's like 16. But I did add some services to it that I want. Part of it is I get, you know, two terabytes of cloud storage out of Google. You so do an inventory. You might have some services that you're already paying for where there's cloud-based storage. That would be the best thing. Then, depending upon how you use your cloud, your cloud-based storage, may depend on what you buy. So some of them have integrations that you can tie into through an API where you can move files automatically. If you're gonna do backup, remember most of those cloud-based storage things that you have there, unless you're dragging the files there, like if you have a Microsoft 365 and you're using OneDrive sync, it's not a backup. It's sync, and that's okay. Like that's okay if it's sync. Just know what you're getting from that standpoint. So those I I will say this for the most part, generally, cloud-based storage has become a commodity. So it's fairly cheap for the most part, and everybody's about the same price. So, you know, years ago, I had a whole cloud-based storage drive know it guide on my site out there at theaverageguy.tv. It got really boring. It's like I this they're all go, they they either went out of business or they all became the same for the most part. There may be some that have different use cases for you. So as you're thinking about what you what you want this cloud-based storage for. This good AI question, by the way. Drop that in there. It'll help you walk through hey, what am I using it for? Yeah, what have other people said about it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Yeah, Craig from AI Goes to College says, yeah, it's the features and the ones that you'll use. Stephanie brings up Dropbox, John left Dropbox and went back to it's like whatever you need. El Searcy says Google has five terabytes for 200 bucks a year.

SPEAKER_00 38:39

And I the only reason I'm you use it though. Five terabytes is a lot. Getting it back, you know, like that's some download too. If you're if you're tethered, you got to be careful too with this. If you're metered, tethered isn't the right word. Yeah. If you're metered, I'm pointing up here because that's where my that's where my internet comes in. Not that you even care, but that's where it comes in. If you are metered and you do something wrong and you download all five terabytes of your cloud storage locally for some reason, and they start charging you after the first terabyte per month, which is very, very common in the space now. Guess what? So you have to be careful, like with that much cloud storage, make sure you've you're you know why I know? Because I've done it twice. Twice I've invoked cloud-based download and walked away, and then I, you know, I got a nice little bill from Cox Communications.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

So yeah, um Craig says AI or AI. Craig says AI, yes. Craig from AI goes to college, says Dropbox has always been the most reliable. Very good. I I think I have the$99 plan for a year, and then I have which I use a lot for syncing, going back to that, or or just it's an easy place. And then I use iDrive to just back up all my archive stuff. So try one. If you like it, keep using it, you know, because a lot of times you're like, this one gives you, you know, free eggs every month. And you're like, I I don't like eggs. Then don't use that service. Like, find one that does what you want it to do for the amount of you know, and then somebody says really good yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

I want to answer that question.

SPEAKER_02 40:14

What happens if the cloud storage goes out of business?

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Uh what happens if your hard drive crashes? Like what happened? You have to be ready for these kinds of things, right? You have to know at any services this way, at any point in time, they could go out descript at any point in time could just close their doors, right? You know, we we had what was the there was one of the AI services was offering some kind of video, and just one day they're like, oh, this is gonna end in a week. And you're like, whoa, wait a minute. One, I you just released it, but two, like, so you always have to be thinking along the lines of like they're not these places are not gonna be around forever. And so what am I gonna do next? Or how do I have that backed up? Because just having it in the cloud in one place, not enough. You need to have a local copy of it, you know, somewhere too. You might want to think about two different places if you're really worried about that kind of data.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Yeah, the Stephanie says, didn't Dave start deleting episode files after a while? What was that process again? Yeah, I used to keep uh I used to export as an MP3 and then export as a WAV file in the event I ever wanted to go back and take a clip of that show and put it into another show. And after about six years, I went, you know what? I've never done that. And so now I don't I like with Hindenburg, you end up with all your files for that episode in a folder. And I went, yeah, I don't need these. I I've never gone back to this. I'm like, after a month or so, I'll just whack it. And then I keep the finished MP3. That's the stuff I back up because MP3 files are, you know, the that's the one I want to keep. And if for some reason, you know, somebody builds a Dave Jackson library, you know, oh, I wish we would have had the WAV files. Well, I don't think that's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

So can can I say blast some blasphemy? You know, like I I used to do a podcast focused around storage, home storage, right? I was on home on home server show, and we still that's all we spent time talking about is backing up and not losing stuff. And I went through, I only have now access to my podcast since 500. So 500 and 600 is what I decided to keep. Anything that's got a four or back, it's somewhere else. It's either on archive.org or it's at my host provider or it's on YouTube or it's a combination of it. But I kind of decided I know this is gonna sound crazy, but I was like, the stuff I did 10 years ago, I wouldn't, I'd be okay if it went away. Well, that's it. It's okay. It's okay if it goes away.

SPEAKER_02 42:49

Through my my basement experience, Rich says backblaze is life for keeping things. Yeah, I use backblaze to that's backblaze is my oh crap, I deleted it. Oh, wait a minute, I got a copy of it in Backblaze. But I had things that I had saved that were sentimental, and it turns out after, you know, 40 years, your notes from junior high no longer really you're looking, I don't even know what I'm looking at. But if you had asked me, you know, eight years from junior high, I would have probably remembered what those were, but I was like, I I this is no longer sentimental to me. And I have I still am finding training materials for when I taught in the corporate world. And I'm like, I don't really think we need Windows 7 or or Microsoft Word 7 documentation anymore. I'm like, that's out of here, you know. So there are things that after a while, it's not bad to go in and go, oh, you know what? I I don't, you know, like I still have I think I still have old recordings from like podcast movement, you know, from literally 15 years ago. And I'm like, I don't think this is relevant anymore. So the other thing we need to say, but otherwise I think the chat room's gonna blow up. Earlier you said donate, and what you meant to say was kid was teaching.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

No, I I meant to say I meant to say donate all the I that was intentional. I thought about it. I even waited for a minute and then I said donate. No, I know there's differences and blah blah. I was I was trying to make I was I was trying to make an ironic point in that and use that in a way that was a little scandalous, maybe. So it was intentional.

SPEAKER_02 44:30

Yeah, I found I have a ton of VCR tapes, like VHS.

unknown 44:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:37

And I was like, I should probably this is one of those do you pay with time or money? But I could like I have an old Mac mini before I have the Mac mini that I have now. And I'm like, I could grab a VCR and you and just put those in, hit record and come back in a couple hours. But I'm also like, where am I going? Because when we're talking backups and we start talking video, that's a whole new ball game, kids. Yeah. And and I was like, but I saw like, you know, Christmas 1992. And I'm like, but again, it's sentimental now. Ten years from now, I'm like, I don't want to look at things from the 90s. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Well, but there's services that do that pretty cheap too, where you can just send them off and that you know, it's a couple bucks uh tape, and they you know, and they send them back to you digitally, and you go pick them up and download them and you're done. The question is, are like, are you gonna watch them again? Like, I I just don't okay. Can we can I invoke a cone of silence here? Can I say something that that can't get out beyond this podcast? Is this a power rant? I'm gonna no, no, no, it's not a power rate. Okay, it's just I need to swear everybody in to secrecy at this point. I'm gonna tell you something. My my family gave me when my mom passed away, my family gave me some things to get archived, some old film and some old other stuff. Yeah, and then I kind of watched after we we all got together after the her funeral, and we went through a lot of stuff we had, and 99% of it sat on the table when we were done, and everybody's everybody was like, We're gonna take and who's so who's taking this? And we everybody just stared at each other. Nobody wanted it, right? Nobody wanted to take like there were a few things, but 99% of it ended up going to the shredder. And then they were like, Oh, hey, here's some home movies and stuff. Could you go pay to have that? And I'm like, no, like we're gonna look at this for 10 seconds and then go, oh, how quaint, you know, a keyboard, how quaint. What movie is that from? And then you and then it would be done. And I was like, friends, you know, and I know listen, I know I'm the killjoy, and I know oftentimes I talk about legacy stuff and I'm a little irreverent with it. But like, let's it could be reasonable. Dave, like if you had a whole bunch of those tapes, pick a few, smash the rest.

SPEAKER_02 46:56

Oh, there's just there's a lot that's like junk. It's just you know, you know how you made mixtapes when you were it's mixed tapes of like Saturday Night Live. I know I have I saw the one it's a Miami Vice episode that had Ted Nugent acting in it. I'm like, you know what? I I don't really pretty sure I could probably find that on the case. No, the whole episode, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

So that's always fun.

SPEAKER_00 47:23

Uncle Marv got my reference. Good job, Uncle Marv. That's uh back to the 80s.

SPEAKER_02 47:29

Yeah, man. Z-Man says, won't a thunderbolt between two computers take care of that, but realize if you have a here's you know, computer one and computer number two is the backup, and then your house catches on fire. They're both gone. They're both gone. That's why a back a true backup is somewhere off site. So keep that in mind.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

Yeah.

Glenn the Geek's Award-Winning Niche

SPEAKER_02 47:50

Before we get out of here, I know we're we still got some time, but I wanted to do a shout out to Glenn. Glenn the Geek, which means I should probably go find my Glenn the Geek clip. But he won an award. He said, I was honored to be awarded the 25th. How do you say this? I guess it's Equian Industry Vision Award. I'm humbled by this award. It really goes out to our listeners, our guests, and our hosts and sponsors. The team that makes up the horse radio network is the best in podcasting. The mission statement of the horse radio network is one sentence using the horse world one. I'm sorry, uniting the horse world one show at a time. I hope in a small way. We have done that over 18 years, and that's another guy that's had a bazillion episodes. But he's his other his guiding light, of course, is Don't be boring. But when I saw he won that award, I was like, well, congrats, that's cool to hear.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

And you know what Glenn also hasn't done is he didn't do the donkey network, and he didn't do the puppy network, and he didn't do the cat network, right? He stuck to horses for the most part. Not saying he hasn't tried or thought about it.

SPEAKER_02 48:56

He tried a Florida thing and it worked really well for a while, and then the knife hit and they couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_00 49:00

So no, for sure, for sure. But he kind of stuck, he kind of stuck to his core competency in that space and and kind of kept it reasonable. It takes a lot of work to do what they do. Like I said, I'm not saying he hasn't tried things he has in the past. And it's just it's a good it's good to branch out, but it's also good to stay in your lane sometimes. Stick with you know stick with the horse that you rode in on. Is that a saying? It is now. Did I just make that up? Okay, you did. I think it's dance with the dance with the one that brought you. Yeah, that's that's the right. I don't know. I'm not good with words. It's a good thing I'm a podcaster. You know. All right.

Addressing Recording Challenges

SPEAKER_02 49:40

The other thing I saw, and and this is just there are more than one way to talk about a weird saying. There's more than one way to skin a cat. But this guy says, What's the best option for audio recording without external traffic noise? And to kind of summarize this, he's trying to do voiceover work, and he uses a mic I've never heard of, the IEM Truth Ear Gate. Uh, he says, simply because it was the one I had available. But basically, he has like cars honking and stuff in the background. He said, I've I've heard of people building recording corners with soundproof materials in the room. And somebody asked him, like, well, just do it in your closet. And he said, Oh, it's he's doing voiceover for some sort of game work. Like he's doing he's doing a podcast about a game, and so they were all, and everybody's trying to fix it with technology. Oh, maybe use a noise gate. And he's like, Well, you know, when a horn honks, it still comes through and blah, blah, blah. To which I said, There is a way around this, and that is change when you record. When is the street the least busiest, and then do it then. Maybe do it late at night or early in the morning. I know a lot of parents are with little kids, they're like, how you know, I, you know, junior needs to be fed or whatever, especially moms. You know, you're kind of stuck in that situation. Well, okay, well, then record the podcast when the kids are asleep. So if you're stuck with room, and you know, that's when you're either gonna find a different place to record or find a different time because car honks, like, I don't know if are you guys hearing any thunder? I just had a huge thunderclap here. So in the event I just go poof, you know you'll be fine. Yeah, but that's uh so in some cases, I was thinking you you mentioned earlier I was talking about maybe moving my studio downstairs, and if I put it directly beneath where I am right now, the one thing that dawned on me is what do I always joke about? My neighbor loves to mow his lawn. I'm like, I should move it to the other side of the house, which would work. But you know, it's one of those things we don't think about, but like examine things from all the different angles. Okay, I've got a noisy situation. Can you move the situation? No, it's got to be in this room. Okay, well then can you change to a time when it's not noisy? I mean, there's always more than one way to look at something, and a lot of times we just default to how can we fix this with tech? And I'm like, maybe it's not the tech, maybe it's the timing is wrong. So I know when I lived in Cleveland, if I listened to audiobooks on Detroit Avenue, I could never hear them. Number one, uh audible is it's less loud than a normal podcast. I forget what it is, minus 16 or something like that. But if I was walking the dog, a lot of times I would have to keep hitting rewind to, you know, get things where I could hear them. So I quit walking. So what did I do? I walked my dog on a different street. I was like, I'm trying to hear stuff here. Another quick one, and I think we've talked about this, but someone this woman is trying to record 4K in Riverside. And everybody said, I mean, everybody on the she's like, hey, there's a lag, and it's it's hard to get when it's recording live, you know, and we're doing 4K, it's hard to get a rhythm because everything is just kind of like we were this morning, and everybody said the same thing, maybe not recording 4K. Like, yeah, sure, it would look better, but you know, like I actually win.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

Does it does it look better?

SPEAKER_02 53:21

That's the right.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

I guess it depends on what you're doing. I guess it depends what you're doing, right? So you have to you may uh just because you can doesn't mean you should. And I'm still doing home gadget gigs in 720, although I'm gonna change that coming up this fall. I think I'll finally join the 1080p. I just don't like I just it's like I didn't need the I didn't need the extra money thoughts. 720 is fine for what we do on YouTube, whatever. But yeah, I mean, can you? Yes, should you, maybe, but just you know, again, if you if it depends what you're doing.

Recording Quality vs. Effort

SPEAKER_02 53:56

Yeah, it's one of those things like I went when I heard all about all this HLS stuff with with Apple and 720. I went to a YouTube channel on I have a large screen in my living room, and I said, Hey, because you know you can go in and and pick what resolution you want. And I said, Show me 720, and I didn't see a huge difference. Now, there was it was the guy from Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan, and he's got he's he shaves his head, and so like the line around his head was maybe not, you know, if we really, really, really looked, it wasn't quite as sharp as when it was 1080, but there wasn't a ton of difference, and so yeah, Craig says 4K isn't necessarily better, you know. Where it really comes in handy is if you have a video and you want to zoom in on a part of it when you're doing the editing, that might make a difference. But other than that, you know, did I miss your Star Trek reference?

SPEAKER_00 54:59

Again, I don't know why I keep going back to those. Maybe they're just part of my vernacular. I really like the stuff.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

Live well on pri now. Did you watch the new Star Trek? Because it's already been cancelled. Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, for sure. I heard it was really, really bad.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

The one they're not no, not really, really, really bad. But it's okay. It's to listen, it's tough to it's tough to innovate on something that's been so successful and has such lore. You know, Star Wars is in the same boat. Like they just, you know, and then you get you get haters, and you know, it's just tough being successful. It's just tough when you're on top and you're very successful to continue that at some point you kind of need, you know, you kind of need to move on from it. So those those areas they're they're having there's haters. It's okay. It's okay. This is what you have to be careful of when you are successful, right? It's like at some point just retire. Stop doing them. Just stop.

SPEAKER_02 55:58

Because it had it had one of my favorite actors, the guy that played Pig Vomit in Howard Stearns. What is that guy's name? Man, I can see his face. He played President Adams on HBO. Somebody will know who that is. One last quick thing. Uh, we've talked about this in the past was Captivate has announced that their ad network is gonna, if I scroll down to the bottom, June 2026. So that's half a month from now. You'll be able, if you want to do the programmatic ad thing in Captivate, that will be coming out. And I expect when they roll that out, being Captivate, they'll probably roll out some other features as well. They send, they seem to do that. It's like, oh, we've been working on all this stuff, and here's a bunch of things that you're gonna love to do. So I'm always excited when they do it. Paul Giamatti, thank you, Rich. Yeah, Paul Giamatti was in that and a bunch of other people, and I was like, how is that? And so yeah, keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 56:52

To each its own. Listen, to each its own on these, you know, and you whether you like it or you're not, or or not. I mean, this podcast is the same way. You draw folks who are, you know, the that are attracted to what you're doing and the way that you're currently doing it. And just be okay with it. Just don't be a hater. I I just I'm tired of the hate that just goes around like, oh, that's the worst thing ever. No, no, no, no, no. World hunger is the worst thing ever, right? Like murder, that's the worst thing ever. Like your your your favorite movie, well, maybe Jar Jar Biggs would be the worst thing ever. Maybe that's okay. Maybe that. But everything else just not as good as it was before.

SPEAKER_02 57:40

Yeah. Danny says, I can neither confirm nor deny that other things are coming. Well, we'll we'll see. Okay. As we speaking about, and I my apologies to the audio listeners, maybe I'll scan this and put it in the show notes. I mean, as we get ready to roll out, if you've ever worried about I want to start a podcast, but I'm worried about looking stupid. I have found many pictures. This is one from probably ninth grade. That's a lease. That's a lease. That's a young Dave Jackson there. And what gets me is the blue jacket. I think that's denim. I don't know, but uh that was bad. And then we had I would I did not go to with a date to this, so this was the other one. And you can see just how much taller she is than I. I did not get my gross burt to like a year and a half from that picture. But I look at this and go, man, I look stupid. And I will only hold this one up for a second. That's Dave Jackson in his metal gear. Yeah, with the the bold step. But uh, Jim, Jim, what is coming up on uh the average guy.tv?

SPEAKER_00 58:41

That's a heck of a transition. It was.

SPEAKER_02 58:43

It's like, let's get out of here.

SPEAKER_00 58:45

Uncle Marv, he's in chat every single week with us. He joined me. We spent a lot of time talking about, and I shouldn't say AI, but AI from a service, you know, service industry perspective. He's got a new ring that kind of competes with the aura. So if you're an aura ring guy, uh that that is out there as well. And then a smarter way of doing cable management. So if you're thinking about he's got some gadgets around, we all have a thousand cables. Do any of them work? Uncle Mars got the answer. Do any of them work? Uncle Mars got the answer on the show. So you want to catch it? It's available right now, home gadgetge.com, and that happens to be a pod page. So check it out.

What's Coming Up

SPEAKER_02 59:23

There you go. And on the School of Podcasting, I believe I'm halfway edited through edited through it. Uh, I interviewed Jordan from Buzz Sprout, and she does a show that puts people to sleep. That's like the goal of the show. And yet she's been able Like this one? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 59:43

Where's my rim shot? Uh, and it's uh, but she's tried multiple ways to monetize that and has done a pretty decent job. So it's either gonna be Jordan or it's gonna be me talking about the Addy approach to podcasting because I found one of my old teaching books, and there's a thing called the Addy approach when you design classes and I looked through the archives of the School of Podcasting, and I've not talked about that in 10 years, and I was like, maybe it's time to bring back the old discussion of the Addy approach. So that'll be on the schoolofpodcasting.com. Thanks to uh Mark over podcastbranding.co, thanks to uh Jody over at uh voiceoversandvocals.com for being the featured supporter. Thanks to Dan for based on a true storypodcast.com, and thanks to the world's greatest chat room for being here every Saturday and putting up with the technical difficulties. We will see you next week with another episode of Ask the Podcast Coach.