My Guest Is Ruining The Podcast Recording!

David Jackson: 0:25

Ask the podcast coach for october 17, 2026. Let's get ready to podcast. There it is. It's Saturday morning. It's time for Ask the Podcast Coach, where you get your podcast questions answered live. I'm Dave Jackson from the School of podcasting.com, and joining me right over there is the one and only Holy Cow Sly Stallone? Hey, O Dave, what's up? And Tom Petty is here. Hey, Dave, what's going on, man? From the Binky and the Wiz show, the one and only Binkster. What's up, man? I'm back. Yeah, all right. Actually, what's going on? Is Jim Cullison is having a very bad Saturday. He has a technician right now banging on his furnace. I said, "Here's the good news. This happened in October and not in January, so he will be here if he can be here. But that means it's me and you sitting here doing the show together. So this is where the chat room comes in handy, and if you're listening to this, I just did this intro three times because I rebooted something, and the Rodecaster was not coming through Streamyard. So, if nothing else, podcasting teaches you how to roll with the punches, and that's always fun. So, with that, let's get to our fun-filled coffee pour, and that coffee pour is brought to you by, which is always good if the furnace is not out. You need to warm up little coffee pour, and that's brought to you by our good friend Mark over at PodcastBranding. Co. That's PodcastBranding. Co. One more time, podcastbranding.co. Yeah. it's if look I've not just been a customer of Mark I am a repeat customer of Mark because he's that's good yes that's the beautiful thing thank you Randy I see you buddy and that's why I've ordered him and what he does is he sits down with you and kind of helps figure out what is the vibe, the vibe, as the young kids say, of the show. And let him do the marketing stuff, and then you do the podcast stuff. He's going to come back with a couple examples, and you can say, "I like this one, or you might say,"Can we tweak that one? He's going to give you exactly what you want, which is why I keep going back. I've never gone. Well, I guess that'll do. And if you need more than just artwork, well, he can do the whole website. He can do business cards, a PDF, whatever the heck you need. It's all there over@podcastbranding.co. So thank you, mr. Mark. Tell him Dave and Jim sent you. And the show is also brought to you by our good friend Dan over at Based on a True Story podcast. If you ever go to the movies, the lights dim, the screen goes black, and then a single line appears on the screen. It says"Based on a True Story, and you're like, "Really? I didn't know that. The Cat in the Hat is based on a true story, really. And what Dan does is he sits down and he figures out, hey, how much of this is true and how much of this is did they kind of? So it's kind of a cool thing. It's a movie podcast, but really it's a history podcast. And Dan does a great job over there, and we thank you for your sponsorship, Dan, and coming in to save me, the one and only mr. Randy Black. Thank you, my friend.

Randy Black: 3:53

I don't know about saving me. Somebody's going to hop

David Jackson: 3:56

in. I go. I don't. I don't know who, but we'll figure it out. And I saw you jump in there as I was doing that. So thank you, kind sir.

Randy Black: 4:04

Oh, nothing. Just I wanted to share a couple things that I've come across this week, yeah, and another follow up with Ofonix Studio Voice Beta. So first off, if you have a Mac that you're considering trading in to Apple to get a new Mac, like I have an m2 Pro Mac Mini that sits on my desk. That's my studio machine, and their trade-in values have jumped dramatically. I jumped from a couple months ago when I looked before the M6 came out. I looked at it, and it was like $340 on a trade-in for

David Jackson: 4:40

it, which

Randy Black: 4:41

is you know not a lot for a machine that cost $1,300.

David Jackson: 4:44

Right. It

Unknown: 4:46

jumped by $200 after the m6 Mac Mini came out. So I traded it in. It's still sitting here, still hooked up. I got the Mac Mini m6 yesterday. Part of today's process is cleaning the desk up and shifting stuff around and getting that sucker set up because the performance numbers on it are just dramatic versus even the m2 Pro series. So if you're looking at it, if you want to, you know, if you use a Mac for your production stuff, you might look and see if maybe the trade in values jumped. I know Daniel. When I talked to Daniel J Lewis, he was surprised at how much it had gone up because he and I had actually talked. He talked about purchasing this one from me and offering. He was offering me less than what Apple. Was on trade in then, so when I told him how much it went up, he goes, "Yeah, you definitely made the better choice of not selling to me. So, but yeah, that that's one thing. But back to Aphonic Studio voice beta that I talked about a couple weeks ago. Yeah, I've started recording at our church, and our church is an old building. It's got a rounded roof, a rounded ceiling, so it's very echoey, very boomy.

David Jackson: 5:49

Yeah,

Unknown: 5:51

dude, this thing is amazing. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna play like I've got it pulled up on iPhoneic. So I'm literally gonna flip from the input track that before processing to the output track, so you can hear just how dramatic of a difference it is, and how decent of a job this thing really does because these are the ones that have really got me on it. So here we go.

David Jackson: 6:10

Feather to be chosen than great riches in loving favor rather than silver and gold. Wow! What

Unknown: 6:19

is yeah

David Jackson: 6:20

a good name? Very

Unknown: 6:22

very good at getting all that out of there, making it sound really good. I've just been floored by it, so like I said, you know, I, I'm, I, I, I tell everybody to use Alphonic anyway. If you're not, if you're not a person who can go in and dig in with all the plugins and do all that stuff, Alphonic just cleans things up, makes it great, and this is making it even better. So I thought I'd share that, and I was planning to come on and share it anyway. Yeah, before the hiccups, the sporting and being odd. But I figured, you know, gives it helps you fill in a little bit, get some time to keep things going and get maybe Jim on. But

David Jackson: 6:57

now I know you're not. You don't work for Ofonic. Do you happen to know what you're paying a month for Authonic?

Unknown: 7:02

I pay for a year. Okay, it's it comes out to like $9 or$11 for no maybe probably about that and I'm getting I think nine hours a month of process okay so it in and I I don't come close to that but I'm I'm working on I've been vib coding lately like I told you about the websites and stuff like that I've got a plan put together to build my own production app. In some ways, it's similar to what Adam Curry has done with his what he's calling the Currycaster Two, because he has Currycaster One on GitHub. Two is not, but it's the plan in place and the way we've got it built. I haven't started building it yet because I'm going to have to do a lot of it in Swift. I'm not as familiar with Swift, Apple's coding language, but it's going to have its own built-in, you know, recording for multi-track. It's going to have the ability to have remote guests join via WebRTC off of a machine, a virtual machine running on my server. It's going to have the ability to use the API from Alphonic to send everything up, chapters, everything, do all the transcription to Alphonic, send the audio back, and then my media host at Pod Home has their own API that I can build into this. That it will automatically take all that stuff and take it directly to Podhome, and it's all in the production app. I'm not going to have to jump on websites and different things to make it work, I'm trying to make my workflow easier. I'm telling you, man, it's it's a it's a time right now where software as a service that we're seeing with Microsoft Office, we're seeing with Adobe Creative Cloud. I'm worried for these companies that software as a service could could die because people can go onto and use tools like Cloud Code and Chat GPT with Codex and these other services, and and they can get their own software very quickly, very easily. I'm to me, I'm like I can't. I'm just 2027 is going to be an interesting year. Yes, all the way around. Ralph has a quick question. He said we had someone on the live show yesterday who kept tapping her desk, and we used Alphonic in the past, and the team was able to completely remove it. How cool! But how should I address this in mid live stream? Now they don't always see it, but here in Streamyard, there's a private chat that I could say right now, like Randy, please put

David Jackson: 9:24

some pants on or something, right? And and Randy wouldn't see that. Now the problem is because I've had times where, like, I think it might have even been Randy, where Jim has been like, "Hey, Randy's in the waiting room, and I'm looking at the chat room and everything else, and I'm missing it. And yeah, oh, we have an update. Speaking of Jim, he's like two minutes. He says, still working on it, but two minutes. Because we

Unknown: 9:48

all we all need Jim Callison on a Saturday.

David Jackson: 9:50

Yeah, it's how because if they don't see the chat, because the one thing is, if you say, "Hey Jill, hey Bob, please quit tapping on the desk, it's in the recording. You could try to you know write it on something and then hold it up to that, but now it's on YouTube where you held up the sign, so it might just be-I don't know, Randy. What would you do in that case?

Unknown: 10:14

I I recorded with back when I was doing the V for V music show before that whole thing kind of yeah collapsed a little bit. Yeah, it it it's still gold. Somewhat, but it's not. I mean, the momentum is is gone. I had a pretty popular artist in that space that I recorded with. She was on her her MacBook with some earbuds in, but you know, obviously was using the MacBook microphone, and it was picking up everything. Luckily, it wasn't live, so that was a good part of it, and I was able to go, "Hey, hey, Ainsley, can you can you get some of the background noise out there? Turn something off. Or she was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. So you know, situation where you're recording, it's easy to do, but if you're live, man, that's tough. It's hard. It's hard.

David Jackson: 11:01

Yeah, Chris from CastAhead.net has hit the pre-production. I always mention to the guests tabletops as part of pre production. That's why none of the pens I have at my desk here have a clicker on them because I will do that. So it's you know that's just part of the whole. Hey, please be in the quietest room you can be in. Use the best microphone you have. Please wear headphones or at least earbuds, and please don't tap on the desk and have your kids locked in the closet along with the dog and everything else, just to let them know that I know this looks like a Zoom meeting, but it's actually we're recording an interview. Yeah, yada yada yada. So that can it's back in the days when I was a teacher. To me, the best part or the most important part of the class was the first five minutes, where you explain what you're going to do, when bathroom breaks were, blah blah blah, and you just set up the class so they kind of go, "Oh, I'm in the right place. Okay, good. You know, so same thing with a guest interview. You want to let them know what's to be expected. Let them know it's not live unless, of course it's live, but yeah, you know, just say we can edit out anything that you know any boo boo you want to do. We can always edit them out later. So yeah, that's that's a tricky one though. So he is here. He says, "All right, I gotta go find. That's weird. Let me hide behind the scenes here. I am. I've got all these slides. Let me just

Jim Collison: 12:32

jump in there. I can. Yeah, there we go. Yeah,

David Jackson: 12:34

I'm like. I don't see them. I see. I see now. I have a scroll button, so I can

Jim Collison: 12:37

just click the button there. Yeah. Sorry, I'm late.

David Jackson: 12:41

Sorry, man. Sounds like you're having a great Saturday.

Jim Collison: 12:44

It's. I'm gonna be out of town next week, so no, you know it always those. At least it happened, you know. My furnace broke, and so at least it happened today before the middle of the winter. You know, you know how those things. Yeah. So

David Jackson: 12:57

it could have been much worse. The

Jim Collison: 12:58

best of all situations, Randy. Thanks for for jumping in here and helping.

David Jackson: 13:02

Yeah. Anything else, Mister Randall Black. Before let's just

Unknown: 13:07

you know, if if anybody's interested in some of the stuff I've been vib coding, like I've got producer services I've built for myself, like WV Ed Talks, a new show I'm doing with West Virginia Education News, and it's pulling news stories every day for me automatically. It's making a daily briefing that people can subscribe to that gets sent out, and then it's putting the outline and everything together for me to do an episode. I recorded one this morning based off of everything it's put together, and I'm doing the same thing now with Bible Bytes. It's pull. I'm putting in my information, my ideas. It's building outlines and stuff for me. I could go in and edit it. Got a whole workflow set up. I'm actually a month ahead on my episodes right now for Bible Bites, and I've never been ahead. Yeah, and it's it's making ahead. I'm a month ahead on all my my layouts and everything. I just have to record. I got to record for tomorrow, so I'm going to do that after the show today because you know I got to get my time in and watch you guys. So I'm going to record that this afternoon. The wife is off running errands and doing things, so the house is quiet. So I'm going to get that done. But if anybody has any questions about that, you can reach out. Head over to randallblack.com. I think I've got a contact form there. You can send me a message. If not, there will be there later today. Yeah. Or find me on Facebook. Just look for Randall Black. Also, before we go, I always have to throw this in because Jim loves it.

David Jackson: 14:22

Pinky, you're so crazy. It is like I said. It is literally my favorite. It is literally

Unknown: 14:27

a button on my stream, on my stream deck, sitting in front of me. I also any time any time I hear somebody who might be on the show, not named Jim, talk about Spotify, I got to throw this

David Jackson: 14:38

one. I love Spotify, so and I've

Unknown: 14:41

got all kinds of fun stuff like that. But the the biggest thing I can say is for everybody is remember that you know podcasting is awesome. We love it. We got to take part of it and close out with this, and then I'm going to say bye.

Jim Collison: 14:51

Go podcasting! Nice,

David Jackson: 14:56

thank you, kind sir. Later, guys. Thanks for

Jim Collison: 14:59

jumping in. Appreciate that. Yeah, it's always

David Jackson: 15:01

fun when you know Jim. Jim was nice enough to let me know. Hey, we're I'm having a bad Saturday. You know that's going to be an

Jim Collison: 15:09

expensive one. Like, there's nothing about your furnace that's ever cheap. You know, and you're just like, but like I said, it's early in the season. You know, it is. You know, one of those things. And like like podcasting, since we're talking about podcasting here, it kind of helps and. And Randy's kind of maybe in the situation where he's well prepared for he's ahead. If something came up right now, he has a plan to be like, you know what, I could take two weeks off and it would be fine, right? He's he's ahead on things. We fortunately in this situation, or we you know do a pretty good job of keep keeping track or keeping you know that's with your furnace. Make sure you're getting. We get it serviced twice a year, and and that really pays dividends, right? I think with podcasting, it's very very similar. Like, hey, be ready for some things like that. You might want to have a few, like having a backup. You have plenty of them, Dave, but you might want to have a backup microphone, right? That wouldn't probably wouldn't be a bad idea to have you know something like that, or a backup audio device, or something along those lines.

David Jackson: 16:10

Here's the fun thing: so I start the show, right? I'm talking along, and I see somebody say, "We can't hear you. And I look down, and my microphone on Streamyard is muted. And I was like, "Unmute. I'm like, "All right, let's do it again. Yeah, you know, go through it again, and all of a sudden they go, "We we can't hear you, Dave. And I'm like,"Wait, what? So I go down, and I look in Streamyard, and the Roadcaster is not the default. It's like it's not even listed because I rebooted something, and I was like, "All right, so I finally figured it out. No, nobody can hear me, and I'm sitting there going through all the motions. And so I finally said, "Hold on, I'm going to reboot my Rodecaster. So I did, and it came up, and we kept going, and you know, it was great fun. Yeah. Well,

Jim Collison: 16:55

it's it's listen. That's the hard part. I think solo. You know, I've told you guys I've failed on a solo podcast where I was broadcasting live because I didn't have anybody on the other end to check, yeah. So I'm just blah blah blah. I was 15 minutes in before I realized I had unmuted my mic. Yeah, and I was like, oh, then I felt embarrassed, even though there was no one listening. No one would have ever known,

David Jackson: 17:19

right?

Jim Collison: 17:20

I was super embarrassed. I turned it off, got mad, you know, started chucking things around the house, and you never know, right? But it is, it is, it's, it's not a bad idea to have some backups. And then you know, like this morning, you did a great job of just handling, like, hey, I let you know about 10 minutes till I was like, I've got a technician in my house. Like, could I? I've started podcasting with the technician right there, working along him, working with my wife. Yeah, but I don't want. I don't want that. This is going to be a big.

David Jackson: 17:50

It's distracting. It's going to be a

Jim Collison: 17:51

couple $1,000, right, to fix this thing. And so you're like, I should probably have the guy. And in the end, I was so nice to him. He's like, Hey, well, I'll talk to the owner, see if we can get you some money. So I was like, Okay, let's go. That's okay. That's nice. That's kind of nice. Yeah. Yeah,

David Jackson: 18:05

because Brad from pottingd.com, I spent 3000 on my furnace this week. Ralph spent$17,000. This is why we all need an emergency plan. I added Starlink as a backup internet as well. There you go.

Jim Collison: 18:21

Yeah, that's another. That's another thing. We have Fiverr coming into the neighborhood, and I'm currently on wireless. I've done cable, right? And I threw those guys out because they're terrible. All their cable network was terrible here in in Bellevue, but it's not not. I've often thought about having two internet services, right? And and you know, depending on the price of those, yeah, not a bad thing to have backup internet. I go to my phone to be honest with you, I've kind of set everything up, but actually now my home service and my phone service are the same thing. So actually, that's not a solid backup. If that tower goes down, I'm kind of and the tower is just a block away, so I get great service, right? But if the if I lost T-Mobile service, I don't, I can't hotspot my phone because it's T-Mobile, right? So I remember

David Jackson: 19:08

one time we I tried to do this show from a McDonald's parking lot because my internet was down, and I was like, I need the internet, and it's you know 10 o'clock in the morning, not everything's open, blah blah blah, and so that's always fun. So

Jim Collison: 19:24

I could always check with my neighbors too, you know, and be like, "Hey, you know, my neighbor next door, I I see his internet pretty pretty easily.

David Jackson: 19:32

Yeah,

Jim Collison: 19:33

you know that could be one of those kinds of things too, where you talk to your neighbor and you're like,"Hey, if we're ever in a situation and I lose it, and or you lose it, what could we have some kind of reciprocal something where you could jump on this network, in case of an emergency, hadn't thought of it that way, and maybe I'll maybe I'll have a talk with Ed and see if he's how he's how he'd be feeling about that.

David Jackson: 19:53

Yeah, what I did was I went out and went through all the questions that I always keep there as as a backup. That's my backup. Like if if nobody in the chat room has a question, I will go to where I keep all my questions, and I just went through and deleted any one that we'd already talked about, so that pretty much anything I looked at was a question I could use and kind of go from there. And I was just like, well, I've I've learned it when I do it myself. It's weird. I have to. It's a little different. Like every now and then, I'm I kind. I'm glancing more at the chat room now because you're here because you can talk and I can watch. But if I was going to do this solo, I just told myself, go get a question, answer it, look at the chat room. Yeah, go get a question, answer it. Look at it's like don't try to do everything at once because that's just not going to work.

Jim Collison: 20:44

And I would think, Dave, for this style, if you were gonna if you were gonna be distracted and have to do that in the chat, and if you took long pauses in in this in the live version of it, that would make the edited version then easy for you to come in and clean those up and do it that way. I think we often feel like we have to be talking and filling every second of the airspace that we have when we're doing things this way. It puts a lot of pressure on you when you're doing a live solo, and and I always feel bad for you on that one. I just thought it'd be a better experience than me here. Kong Kong Kong things being put back on. The dude was super good. We have a really, really, really, really good HVAC company that we work with. They're just dynamite. So I've never like the last two calls. The thing we had a guy out here yesterday saying, "Hey, your inducer motor is bad, and so that's $700 right there. And I know that I think it burned out the circuit board, and that's going to be another $1,000. So we'll be

David Jackson: 21:49

ouch.

Jim Collison: 21:50

Yeah, I was like, I said to him, I'm like, dude, it's a little board about this big. I buy these things, you know, I buy motherboards for computers that do infinitely more than that thing, and they're only a couple 100 bucks. He's like, you have to realize, like, there's labor, and we got to make a little money off it. Like I understand, so it it is a you know it's it's good to be ready for some of those and and maybe even think through your plan. Right, as a podcaster, like okay, this is my workflow. What parts of this workflow could go wrong, and if they do, what am I going to do? Yeah, have that planned out so that you're not in the moment. You know, I was able, I was able to just text you really fast, Dave. I'm in a little bit of a crunch. Not going to make it. You know, I maybe gave you 10 minutes. I didn't know myself. They, I didn't know when they were going to come and how that was going to work. Right. So maybe have that think through your production piece, and then have okay. If this stopped working, what would I do? That because in a crisis, you don't want to be thinking about those things. You just want to respond. Like this is my emergency plan. Sometimes your emergency plan is just don't podcast that day. Yeah, okay, too. You know. So yes.

David Jackson: 23:04

Ralph says, "Wait a minute. Where is that's not the comment I wanted. He says it's a good point. I've learned to embrace the dead air on my live show. I just found him because he moved to YouTube. There's a sports guy named Jim Rome, and he was everywhere at one point when I was driving around.

Jim Collison: 23:22

And then

David Jackson: 23:23

he must have got a couple different contracts or what, but he went from being everywhere to like from noon to three. He was on like you could go across the dial and you'd hear him three or four times.

Jim Collison: 23:33

Yeah, yeah.

David Jackson: 23:34

You can't find him now. And I just saw where he's now doing his show live on YouTube, and he's a guy that when he's ready to switch topics, I don't know if he's thinking about what's next or if he's got notes or what, but you will hear he'll be like, you know, and that's why you got to do this. And then there's just this good like three seconds isn't long, but 1000 1000, 2003, of nothing, and then it'll be like over in Seattle, so and so, and you're just you just kind of get used to it. Also, realize people on radio are really good at stretching the same topic over and over. Yeah, we can all hate Todd now. Todd the Gator. Yeah, whatever. Who lives in Florida? He goes, "What's a furnace? Yeah,

Jim Collison: 24:21

yeah, yeah. But what's not rain? That's you know, or hurricanes, right? From that standpoint,

David Jackson: 24:29

yeah. Randy says Jim Rome fighting Jim Evert was one of the best pieces of television history. Yeah, he was on Chris Kramitos is somehow involved with that. Like he was in Chris's studio or something, but Jim Rome kept calling Jim Everett the female tennis player Chris Everett.

Unknown: 24:46

Oh,

David Jackson: 24:47

on the and then he did it to his face. And Jim Everett said, "Call me Chris Everett one more time, and you're we're gonna have a problem. And so he did, and he flips the table over and pushes him down, and it's like,

Unknown: 24:58

man, okay,

David Jackson: 24:59

yeah.

Jim Collison: 25:00

Jim Rome, he would embrace the the the pauses, you know, and he just it was part of his part of his shtick, right? You just for him, he was okay with those long, those long pauses. Rush Limbaugh used to do the same thing, although Rush used to bang on his table. Yeah, like you could hear him, and he'd rustle the papers and bang on the table. Yeah, like what do you mean? We were just

David Jackson: 25:23

talking about that, Ralph. Somebody on a live stream that kept tapping the table, and he's like, "How do you tell them to not tap the table when you're live? And I was like, "Well, there's usually a private chat. I go, "But other than that, because the other thing is, I mean,

Jim Collison: 25:37

you just say it though. You just say, 'Hey, can you stop talking? I can hear you tapping on the table.

David Jackson: 25:41

Yeah, but the other thing I have to keep in, Mike, like with mine, let me see. Oh yeah, my camera is mounted to my desk. So if I pound on this, I look like on a bad episode of. I'm giving her all. I can, Captain, and it's making my microphone arm is not the quietest. So yeah, that's got

Jim Collison: 25:57

some noise to it. Yeah, I could

David Jackson: 25:58

I could tighten that up a bit. So that's the other thing you have to to keep in mind of. I did have one question that I thought we could. I was gonna go to here if I can get my screen share to go, and I want to share. Let's go the entire screen. You

Jim Collison: 26:16

guys talking about pen clicking too? Yes,

David Jackson: 26:20

yeah. This guy. This somebody in Reddit said,"I'm getting tired. I feel like giving up. Today, I released the 89th episode of my podcast. I had so many people who listen tell me that they enjoy the conversations, but in two years of posting every week, we have had no material success. I would love to know what he tried.

Jim Collison: 26:41

Yeah,

David Jackson: 26:42

I want to give you that's what it says, and then he says, "1050 subscribers on YouTube. I'd like to know how many views-not the short views that don't count anymore, but real views-he had 4000 downloads across platforms. But it feels like nothing. When should I stop? When should I give up? And I thought I would bring this up because Adam Curry switched gears this week, and the reason he switched gears is the he didn't like doing his show anymore. He he did no agenda with a guy he'd known for years. They did I think it's either 18 years together, and he died suddenly. And so he's for the last probably two or three months he's been having guest guys fill in, but meanwhile, about a year ago, he started a show called "We Get to Do This. Now the the fun thing is they like to abbreviate that to W G T D T, and and and they say it very fast, W G T G T B, and I'm always like, wait, what? But he's having more fun over there, and it's still kind of talking about the news, but it's more from a Christian standpoint. What does the Bible say about this kind of thing? And he's just having more fun over there, and so in the end, the reason he's not doing no agenda anymore is he he said, "I just it's not really who I am anymore.

Jim Collison: 28:14

It's a good call.

David Jackson: 28:15

Yeah,

Jim Collison: 28:16

I don't disagree with them. Like I heard that too, and I don't disagree. There's times to hang it up, you know. And I think actually, I think he's honoring John C. DeBorne by doing this, I think it's a good move.

David Jackson: 28:28

He said, "Look, he goes. I, I, I think he said I hate to admit it. He goes, but really, the show died when he did. Yeah, because it's just not the same.

Jim Collison: 28:38

Strong personality, John.

David Jackson: 28:40

Oh yeah, that's a hard guy to replace.

Jim Collison: 28:42

Such a strong personality. Whether you loved him or you hated him, you know. He could he could get a little cranky sometimes. It was great. It was part of his shtick, right? I mean, but the I actually I agreed with Adam when when I I thought when he first passed away he may take a break and then just come back and say I don't think so. And that's those that show you know was so important to both of them, and so I think it's a good move on Adam. Well,

David Jackson: 29:10

it's it supplied him with a living, you know, wage for 19 years, and plus when you build, I mean, they they were getting like 900,000 plus downloads an episode.

Jim Collison: 29:21

Yeah, that's hard to walk away away from that. Yeah, that would be hard to walk away from, you know. You kind of start thinking, yeah, but I don't, you know. We all have these moments in time, and that you know you have a moment. It's not going to last forever. They've had they had their their lightning strike. Now both of them have been very very successful in other things that they've done in their lives, right? I mean, John's writing, Adam, of course, MTV, right? They, they, they all have had those those moments, and sometimes, you know, I think, like with no agenda, it's had its it's had its time. Could it keep going? Absolutely. He could figure out a way to get it done. I don't disagree with his decision to tie it up and move on.

David Jackson: 30:08

Well, and I know there are a lot of no agenda adjacent shows. Like there, when he first, right after John first died, two guys took over, and they were similar. Right, they were deconstructing the media, and I'm not sure who he's handing the show over to. Or how that's you know I don't think he's just gonna go like all right we're done. My guess is he's gonna hand it off to somebody and you will either like them more or not like them more or you know depending on the the one guy and there's nothing he can do about this because on one hand he has killer pipes. I mean he literally has because I said my co-host today with Sylvester Stallone. I was like, "Hey, yo, David Blood. But literally, his voice is his voice. His voice is so low. It's just the to the point where I'm like, "I don't know my earbuds can hit that frequency. It's so low. There were times that I couldn't understand him, not because he had an accent, because it was so you know. And what are you going to do? That's your voice. Randy says Adam's statement was that he doesn't like the person he is when he's on no agenda based on his expectations from all the years of the show before he found his faith. Yeah, so it's he's just it's one of those things where things happen in your life. You have a kid, or you know you have a grandkid, or whatever's going on. You know, got a new job. You got a new whatever, and all of a sudden, the person you were and your priorities that you had change, and so you know, off he goes. And he just he's kind of putting it's a leap of faith, but it is a case of Glenn the geek always said they come for the content, they stay for the host, and that is no more apparent because when I heard that, the first thing I did was start. I'd already kind of been popping in and out of his other show, but I now listen to that much more frequently. So I'll have to move my donations from No Agenda to to this one because I was giving him $11.11 every month. So I I should write in because officially they have a thing. If you give them$1,000, you're a knight of the No Agenda Roundtable, and I need to come out of the closet. I've been a that would be a silent night because I've been giving 1111 for like a decade. Yeah, and so I'm over the 1000 plus. I gave him 200 bucks on the Hot Pockets tour when he came around, and actually ended up in Akron, Ohio. So I should get my ring and that whole nine yards just so I can have that for a cape sigh. Yeah,

Jim Collison: 32:36

sometimes it's time to move on, right? From from those kinds of things, and it takes a lot of courage, by the way. Oh man, I think it takes as much courage to move on as it does anything in in that to say, hey, we're just going to kind of wrap this up. You know, I'd done a podcast at Gallup for 13 years, and it had been pretty successful. And we just were moving a different direction, and it was hard. I had a hard time letting that go. And they were like, yeah, let's not do that anymore. Now it's coming back, which is cool. New name, different. It's going to have a similar style. I'm going to lead it, so it's going. I'm going to do it the way I do it. Got a chance to do. We're doing some pilot episodes right now. By the way, this is we talk when you and I talk about this all the time. Do a couple pilots and then throw them all away. And I just had a guest on Friday who is good friend of mine, and I just had to tell him, Mike. I'm going to be honest with you. We're not going to use any of this content, but I need you to act like we are. So, can you be a great guest on the thing? And he's he was good friend. We had a good time. I'll probably do one more pilot with him. We learned some things in the pilot that we're going to take to the next version of this. So, whatever this is in a week or two, and I start doing the the kind of the next version of pilots, but boy, Dave, I tell you what, it's given me the opportunity to really in your head, you do some things that you think are going to work, and then you do them, and they don't. And then there's sometimes inspiration on the program leads you to a direction, and you go, man, that really works, and so getting a few practice-I mean, I'll probably by the time I'm done, have done six pilot practice episodes in various forms to just see to make sure we get what we want out of the gate. Now, that still does not guarantee that first one. You're not going to wish you didn't do it because you always do, right? Right. But at least we're we're getting some practice in. They're anxious to get this new version out, and so I'm fighting. I'm actually fighting the different kind of pressure, which is when's it coming? When's it coming? When's it coming? When's it coming? And like friends, just it it will be fine. We will get there. I I need to work through some practice episodes and some pilots to get some some stuff figured out, so it's a little bit different because usually the pressure is coming from me or the individual and not the outside. In this case, work is like, hey, could you get that? When's that going to get done? How are we going to do that? You know, which is cool. It's great. It's a great situation to be in. But we wrapped up to bring this full circle. We wrapped that up, and Dave, I'm not going to lie. It was hard for me to put a close the door on those on that episodes on the way we did things that way when I was going through it. So as you're thinking about this, as you're listening to this, and you think about your own podcast, I think it's much harder sometimes to stop than it is to start. I mean, we talk about how hard it is. Start once you get moving, you don't want to give it up. I mean, you and I have talked about this show. We're almost at 600 episodes, and every time we kind of think like, "Have we come to the end? I have a hard time. I'm like, "No, I like doing

David Jackson: 35:38

this.

Jim Collison: 35:40

You know, I enjoy doing it. Let's not stop until we absolutely have to. At some point, we're gonna absolutely. I mean, I know this is coming at some point, somewhere.

David Jackson: 35:50

We're

Jim Collison: 35:51

gonna have to.

David Jackson: 35:52

It's funny because when you see AC/DC, you know, and I remember when Angus looked literally like just possessed, running all over the stage, and now you see him, and God bless him, he's 70 something, and he's he's barely bobbing, you know. And I'll see us. We'll be like, "All right, ask the podcast. We'll both be like,

Jim Collison: 36:09

"I know her,

David Jackson: 36:10

just barely moving. It's Saturday. It's time for ask the podcast coach. I'm out of breath. Yeah. Where are we again? I'll say to you.

Jim Collison: 36:18

Where are we? What are we talking about?

Unknown: 36:21

Oh my gosh! But

David Jackson: 36:22

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Jim Collison: 39:49

I've been writing after further review is the name of that. We're going to do it on a weekly basis for a while, just see how it goes. But the the goal would be to go back on Sundays or actually Saturday evenings. I spend a little bit of time looking at what was what I said on the show we talked about how review is important, so I go back and what I said, and then I give it a like I give it a call on the field, so to speak. If you're familiar with American football, it's been a fun, Dave. It's been a fun little exercise in just review. It's forcing me back into the show a little bit. What did I say? I'm getting some feedback that way on on some of those kind of things. So I threw the link in the chat if you want to do it, Dave. I'll have it in the show notes. Yeah, just kind of a way of some additional content for Dave. I'll be honest with you. I said this last week, but I'll say it again. I felt I was feeling like I was not doing enough to promote the show. Just to be blunt and honest, I'm here. I'm a co-host. I should. I just again, that was my personal feeling. I like, and I thought, well, I don't want to just tweet about it or whatever. I was like, I want to create some additional content to create some cross links between Dave and I to see if we can help with the Google juice and the AIO juice and all those other kinds of juices. And so we created after for the review. So it's posted weekly at theaverageguy.tv. If you want to check out, I'd love your feedback, Jim at theaverageguy.tv, or you can leave a leave something on the post. But just a fun little exercise. No, I don't dump on Dave. It's all about me. So no, no calling Dave out for the things he said. Maybe future. Maybe that's right episodes will or future. Well, it's been fun, Dave. Thanks for thanks for being okay with it. I was you know I checked it by you. I wrote one and sent it to you and said, "Would you be okay with this? And you said yes. So thanks for saying yes.

David Jackson: 41:40

My next episode of the School of Podcasting, I got some feedback, and it was we always say, the first thing you want to ask is, does this person have a good point? And they did. And I was like, oh, I didn't realize I was doing that. And so that'll be that. Hey, Randy Black will be at Pod Indy. So

Jim Collison: 42:00

when is that again?

David Jackson: 42:01

november 7.

Jim Collison: 42:02

Okay, PodIndy.com. No show that week.

David Jackson: 42:05

No show that week. I'm glad you said that. Yeah, I'll be I'll be at Pod Indy. So yeah, and I'm flying. I'm flying. I'm driving over Friday night. They usually have a little dinner there. Wake up, do the Pot Indy thing, and then I used to drive back the next day. But I got church the next day, so I'm. I it's only like a four hour drive for me, so it's not that bad.

Jim Collison: 42:27

That's good timing because that's my flight to London is that day. So I I'm flying out that afternoon. I could have not well technically no. I probably couldn't have made the show. So that's that works out really really well. So cool.

David Jackson: 42:40

Yeah. Randy asks, does Pod Page have the ability to click on the transcript text and jump to that spot in the episode. That would be cool. Not at this point, but I will throw that into

Jim Collison: 42:52

the. That works on the word. You know, there's a WordPress plugin for that, right? Where it'll take. If you have any timestamps in your in your show notes, it'll click. It'll go right to it. I've been using that for a while. Pretty good. Pretty good little way to do that. That'd be interesting. On you, but see on your. Do you have a pod page for this show? Yeah, we do. Ask the

David Jackson: 43:11

podcastcoach.com is on pod page. Is

Jim Collison: 43:13

on pod is on pod page. And does it? You do do you load the transcripts there as well?

David Jackson: 43:18

If I remember to, yes. But it should. I I think if there's a timestamp in the show notes, I would, I would be thinking it probably would. So, yeah, but it's it's interesting because we're either adding new stuff at Pod Page or we're doing what we did with the player, where because I mean the, and a lot of people don't realize this. I know it's shocking that Dave hates something from Spotify, but the Spotify player

Jim Collison: 43:47

loves Spotify. That's right. What I heard,

David Jackson: 43:49

but the Spotify player, I'm pretty sure if you click anything on that player, it's going to take you over to Spotify. And so, and people were like, "Well, can it do this? They're like, "Well, your player doesn't. And look, Captivate, Buzzsprout have some really pretty players. Libsyn is okay. Blubrry actually has the most functionality. It's not the prettiest one though, and so over the last couple months, Brendan just did a couple updates and was like, "Hey, you know what? I'm I'm gonna do a couple more things here because we kept having people that are like, oh well, unfortunately, a lot of people use Spotify. Even as much as I go, don't use no red circle. Go RSS.com if you need free. But a lot of people use Spotify, and then it's funny. The one guy asked him,"I'm like, hey, because he was it was interesting. He was really digging into his web stats, and I'm showing him how to put Google Analytics on his site and everything else, and I said, "I'm I'm just curious. You're obviously a person that loves data. Why are you using Spotify? Because you can't even see how many, you know, what the other apps. How what percentage of your audience is using Pocket Cast or Apple? It's just Spotify and Spotify only. He's like,"Oh, I just I just thought it was the default, and I was like,"Oh, that's you know, that's their branding. It's working very well. But I was like,"That's not really, you know, what are you going to do? So here's a fun question that came up, and I don't believe.

Jim Collison: 45:19

Yeah, we got one. We have one starred from. I starred one from Z-Man. If you oh yeah, here we

David Jackson: 45:24

beautiful. What are the pros and cons of having multiple podcasts and/or different ventures on the same website? Well, let's just take the first part. What are the pros and cons of having multiple podcasts? If we just do that one, pro, you've got multiple interests and you're talking about both. Con, only 24 hours in a day, and I know for me, the minute I get done with one episode, I'm on to the next of something. The bad news is I'm not promoting the stuff I'm putting out as much as I should. On a same website, that's when it depends on what the heck are you talking about. Because if it's you know NASCAR and I don't know what's the opposite of NASCAR.

Jim Collison: 46:14

That's a great question. Yeah. Well, I mean knitting.

David Jackson: 46:19

Knitting. Yes. Knitting would be a good one. You know, I'm not sure those are going to bode well, and Google gets confused as to what the heck your website is about. I don't know, Jim. Any other thoughts on that?

Jim Collison: 46:31

Yeah, well, I started theaverageguy TV as a network. That's right. I would I would look at offering that for other individuals who wanted to join me there from a tech perspective. The intent was to keep it pretty tech, and so when I started, you know, I did home home gadget geek started just home tech, but then we changed the branding on that. Then I had Cyber Frontiers that I did with Christian. Those were those were kind of tech, both tech related. So I thought they worked pretty well together on the site from a from an SEO perspective. I had Fitness Tech was another show that I did that. We talked about all the technology involved in fitness. It was nice because it consolidated all of that information down. We kept it narrow on the tech side, and then I did one in enterprise tech that was all about enterprise technology, pre SaaS stuff. Right? If you think about Sastec SaaS technologies 15 years ago, maybe not pre, but just as they were kind of coming up. So for me, I wanted to consolidate them down because I did want some cross-linking and some other things going on there. I thought they all kind of fit, but to be honest, you can do it however you want. Sometimes maintaining two websites is harder than one. So even if they're different, even if it's NASCAR and knitting, which you know maybe you can knit while you watch NASCAR. There's not it's left turn, left turn, left turn, left turn, followed by

David Jackson: 47:49

a left turn. Yes,

Jim Collison: 47:50

followed by a left turn. Then maybe they spin around at the very end, right? Left, of course. The the the it it it might if sometimes maintaining two websites is a lot. That's the thing, Dave. You all of it. You're like, especially now in the old days with WordPress, then you'd have these WordPress. You'd have all these multiple WordPress instances. It's getting easier. If I was going to do this again, I just go to Pod Page. Just to be honest, it's easy. It's me. It's it. There I would do multiple, right? Because you have to, you know. But man,

David Jackson: 48:23

I I used ManageWP. I think was the website managewp.com to manage my multiple because I I'd log into one and be like oh you have four plugins that need updated and then I'd log into the next one you have three plugins so I could log into one dashboard that had it was such a pain in the butt but

Jim Collison: 48:41

well they had whole services that popped up like we'll help you manage your WordPress site yeah

David Jackson: 48:45

that's it.

Jim Collison: 48:46

Like, dang, you know it's a problem. Yeah, right. Yeah,

David Jackson: 48:51

Ralph says I've learned that having multiple podcast shows has become very taxing to my world, especially when you have new grandkids. Yeah, what's more important, the new grandkid

Jim Collison: 49:01

or the new grandkids are the most important thing. That is clear. Yes, because

David Jackson: 49:05

Ralph has a new grandson to my world, especially when you have a daily live show. But it's hard to stop when you feel the passion for them. That's that's the tough part. But it's I know for me, as we're talking about this, I need to go into my calendar and put record blah blah because I have a couple shows that come out every other week, and I'll be like,"Hey, I haven't put out an episode in a while, and I'll go over and it's like, "Ooh, it's been you know, like I was supposed to be out. I'm going to put one out this month, this Friday. It was supposed to be last Friday, so it's been three. And I'm like, "Ooh, I just need to put these on the counter, record this episode, repeat every two weeks because it's hard to keep up if you have different schedules. I not so much, and then the the other thing I do that can be just kind of taxing is I'm always looking for content. Everything I watch, read, or consume. I remember I had a friend of mine that was a professional comic, and he quit doing it. And I go, I go, well, how you know was it hard to quit? He goes. The hardest part was. He goes. It took me a while to just watch things for enjoyment because I was always looking at stuff, going, "How can I make this funny? How is this something that I could use in my act? And I was when I was married. I was I was accused of never turning off because she's like, "Can you can you be here?" Like here, and I'm like, I am here. I'm sitting right next to you. She's like, No, I can tell you're you're you're somewhere else, and I'd be like, and I'd be at a restaurant, and like, you know, it's kind of weird how you see how the silverware is and the way this. If this was a podcast interview, like, so that's always fun. So that's the the hardest part. Just realize, and this is the trap. If I if I had the time, I would now get the scene from Star Wars where the guy goes, "It's a trap. You think, "Oh well, podcasting is easy. I got it, and it is. Once you've got a show started, you got the microphone. You know how to record the whole workflow is there, and you know it's super easy to get it into Apple and Spotify. You're like, oh, I could do two easy. Well, yeah, it's easy to launch a second one, but then when you get into the okay, it's now I'm doing one on Monday and Thursday, and all of a sudden you're like, wait, what is? And then again, you're not leaving any time to promote it, and that's that's my thing. I can start a bazillion podcasts. I barely promote them, and it's it's interesting. In at the School of Podcasting, we've been meeting on Wednesdays to talk about what are what did you do last week to grow your show, just kind of an accountability. What did you do? And one guy just said I started posting on Facebook, and it literally like within a month he's getting now. Granted, he had small numbers, so when you have you know 10, and then you end up with 15, like that's a huge jump percentage wise. But that's basically what he's doing, and I'm like, well, let's see. You tried something different, and that appears to be working. Where we're all-I don't know-it reminds me of the days when you'd see people skipping rope, ready to have two girls, one on each side, and somebody was in the middle. And there's always that person looking to to jump in, yeah. And then they don't, and so there are so many people that are just waiting for the perfect time to jump in and get 10,000 downloads. And I'm like, yeah. In the meantime, you're standing there doing nothing. Like, try something. It might actually work. Yeah,

Jim Collison: 52:38

I should give a quick update. You know, last week we talked about shorts and clips, and you know, so this week I have a little methodology now where I cut as soon as the show's over. I have AI help me do three automatic cuts that it or for the shorts, right? And the goal is to test those for the cold open for the show. I want to see which of the three wins on YouTube and overnight, and then I take those clips, make a one of them becomes a cold open for the show, and it's just been kind of fun, right? Two weeks ago, those three clips did an average of about 600 views, right, so to speak. Each this week they did about almost 900, and at one point I thought, well, maybe so. I had you know the week before I had Phil Hawthorne on, and then this week, Erin Lawrence and I thought, well, okay, maybe the Erin boosted. She's got a little bit of the, but actually, one of the shorts with me did okay. So I was like, okay, maybe it's not, maybe it's not that. But now, does that matter? We talked about that in after further review last week. Like I talked about that in there. The interesting,

David Jackson: 53:43

the interesting thing is Chris Stone from Castahead.net said he said it last week. You end up in some cases it's like a third stage.

Jim Collison: 53:53

Yeah,

David Jackson: 53:53

you end up with people. There's a guy I just know him as Nick, the guy with the coffee mug that's super snarky and hit super short, and I only like his shorts. He he does like an hour long YouTube show, and I'm like, not enough punchlines for me. And it's I don't know. Everybody on that show is angry. I'm like, it's just not what I'm looking for. So Chris said, you end up with people who only watch your shorts, and I'm like, I don't care. You know, if I can work in a call to action or a link in the description that they click on, but it is another thing that you know. Some people like to read, some people like to listen, some people like to watch, some people like to watch little short stuff. So it's it's good

Jim Collison: 54:37

good opportunity to try some things, and who knows where this will go? Maybe one will hit viral, and it'll it'll pick up, you know, shorts. Unlike clips, like clips, you can't monetize under eight minutes, so they'll just take them out of the out of the you know the monetization aspect of it. But shorts can be as short as they want, and they have a monetization. I mean, I made 12 cents off one, so it's not necessarily retiring on shorts, right? But it's good. It is a good measure of engagement. And again, one's a point, two's a line, three's a trend. So you need to do these things a couple times before you start, you know, figuring some stuff out. Does that necessarily mean I have 900 new listeners to Home Gadget Geeks? No, it just means that it's it means it appeared 900 times in there, and it's good brand.

David Jackson: 55:25

And going back to the Z Man's question, when you have multiple shows, I don't know what was probably a month ago when you said, "Man, that has anybody used that Ask thing?

Jim Collison: 55:36

Yeah, Studio,

David Jackson: 55:37

Ask Studio, and I was like, "Oh, I got to work on that every week. I'm like, "Oh yeah, I was gonna, I was gonna do. Why aren't you doing? Because I'm working on show number seven or whatever. So, yeah, Ralph says I have my Meta Muse, which Adam Curry's all about these days. I call her Monica, doing social media posts for my daily shows, and it's actually working really well. Good, yeah. Cool cars with Chris, my co-host, ran into a store clerk at Harbor Freight who told him he listens to the show. That's always fun. That that'll put some gas in your tank when you get proof that actually people are listening.

Jim Collison: 56:13

Well, I know I was late, but we don't have to make up that time. Just so I give you the the official permission to to to go. It

David Jackson: 56:21

is. It's one of the things I was like. Well, we'll go to 1135, and it's 1135, so it goes. So, with that, Jim, I don't know. You're going to be. Are you doing a show this week with the new furnace issues, or what's going on? Yeah,

Jim Collison: 56:34

no, everything is actually already out. So, Aaron Lawrence joined me on Thursday night. We spent some time talking about frame TVs. She was in Berlin at IFA, and so she talked a lot of robotics was coming up there, so we spent a little bit of time talking about that. And she's just a great guest. So if you want to check that out, it's posted and ready to go. You can go to homegadgetgeeks.com. That's a pod page or theaverageguy.tv.

David Jackson: 56:59

Yeah, I on the school of podcasting, we're talking about editing and how I got some great feedback, and then I'm going to change this because I was listening to it this morning because I was not really making fun, but I listened to Billy Corgan. Now that name rings a bell. He's the lead singer of the Smashing Pumpkins, and he was interviewing the lead singer of Striper. And as I was listening to it on YouTube or watching it, I guess, on YouTube, my brain was like, "Are you going to ask a question anytime soon? And it's funny because I played that clip, and it dawned on me that I'm playing a boring clip in my show. Hence, I'm going to bore my my audience. And I was like,"I need to go in and cut that back because he really just keeps going and going, and I'm like, you can ask a question. It'd be like going, "Hey, Jim, do you remember when Windows XP? And Jim would go, "Yep. And I go, "Yeah, it was the thing. And Jim would go, "Uh huh. And I'm just like, all this background info. I'm like, ask a question. So we're talking about how you can really shape your content, and in some cases, I'm not sure the what I'm talking about in in editing is something that AI could figure out. I don't know if you could say cut out everything before the question that's just background information because that's what I do a lot. I remove my own. I'll be like, hey Jim, I know you've done this. I know you've done this, and then I'll finally ask the question. So that's what's coming out. Thanks, and we'll see you again next week with another episode of Ask the Podcast Coach.